For all the people who believe aditional Antivirus software, is not necessary..


@Scannerman, you bring up valid points. Despite TPM 2.0 being around for over a decade, it has faced several vulnerabilities and attacks. To my knowledge, known vulnerabilities have been patched. This highlights that no security measure is infallible. It's crucial to keep systems updated and apply patches promptly to mitigate known vulnerabilities. Security is an ongoing process.
Agreed. I'm still not of the persuasion that nearly every PC that wasn't less than 5 years old should have been rendered obsolete in the name of TPM2 because other security measures could have been employed that wouldn't have been so drastic. At the end of the day you are your own best first line of defence and by simply taking active measures i.e. security updates, using a dependable anti-malware program, and engaging in sensible browsing habits I would venture that over 90% of security issues can be eliminated. There is a point to which all this meets personal responsibility.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Probably just me, but I have always thought since the beginning, the antivirus companies, are the ones that create the viruses. I believe the best antivirus, is setting on top of your shoulders.
It's your system and your personal and private data. Me, I need to use Win 11 as my daily driver but I (1) practice safe browsing, and (2) spend on Bitdefender Total Security. A pittance compared with the dollar value of your time, and actual costs if you get hacked.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    AMD 7900x
    Motherboard
    ASUS AMD x670E ROG Strix E-A
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 3060 Ti (but wanting to upgrade)
    Sound Card
    built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 24"
    Cooling
    AIO for CPU, fans for case
    Keyboard
    Das Keyboard 4
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 (white)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender
    Other Info
    Also have Lenovo T14S laptop (me) and Lenovo Slim 71 (wife)
Excellent measures but these should be in addition tp proper endpoint protection. Does your company disable the USB ports on all computers? Employees can be really stupid. As Stalin said, 'Trust but verify'.
Not Stain. Reagan.

Stalin once said, "How many divisions does the Pope have?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    AMD 7900x
    Motherboard
    ASUS AMD x670E ROG Strix E-A
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 3060 Ti (but wanting to upgrade)
    Sound Card
    built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 24"
    Cooling
    AIO for CPU, fans for case
    Keyboard
    Das Keyboard 4
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 (white)
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender
    Other Info
    Also have Lenovo T14S laptop (me) and Lenovo Slim 71 (wife)
It's your system and your personal and private data. Me, I need to use Win 11 as my daily driver but I (1) practice safe browsing, and (2) spend on Bitdefender Total Security. A pittance compared with the dollar value of your time, and actual costs if you get hacked.
I'm probably a bit of a different pc user, have no personal data on the drive I browse the internet on. I use my iPhone with two-step authentication for any personal information like banking or etc. I use a duel bay dock cloner for doing drive backups, "it's fast and dependable" because ssd's are so cheap now days, I usually clone my drive I browse on a couple times a week, on a couple different drives. No, no one on this earth is completely safe from anything, but I do feel pretty safe in regards to my personal information out in cyberspace. I'm comfortable with the way I'm doing it, I guess that's what really matters to all of us.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
I'm probably a bit of a different pc user, have no personal data on the drive I browse the internet on. I use my iPhone with two-step authentication for any personal information like banking or etc. I use a duel bay dock cloner for doing drive backups, and ssd's are so cheap now days, I usually clone my drive I browse on a couple times a week, on a couple different drives. No, no one on this earth is completely safe from anything, but I do feel pretty safe in regards to my personal information out in cyberspace. I'm comfortable with the way I'm doing it, I guess that's what really matters to all of us.
Last week someone I know who used 2FA on his phone lost his Microsoft email account and a 14 year old subscription to a game. I warned him about playing games with his phone and now he doesn't even talk to me anymore. Once again, it's all about user preference.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Last week someone I know who used 2FA on his phone lost his Microsoft email account and a 14 year old subscription to a game. I warned him about playing games with his phone and now he doesn't even talk to me anymore. Once again, it's all about user preference.
As I said, not any of us are completely safe, and @73 I certainly don't game, but I do hunt them Cougar's :LOL:. So as long as I feel safe, and have never been hacked in since 1984, I'm going to stay the course.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
As I said, not any of us are completely safe, and @73 I certainly don't game, but I do hunt them Cougar's :LOL:. So as long as I feel safe, and have never been hacked in since 1984, I'm going to stay the course.
Play with fire and you could get burned, brother. They don't call 'em cougars for nuthin'. ;-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Last week someone I know who used 2FA on his phone lost his Microsoft email account and a 14 year old subscription to a game. I warned him about playing games with his phone and now he doesn't even talk to me anymore. Once again, it's all about user preference.
sounds like they were stupid and didn't keep their backup codes like they were told multiple times when 2fa is set up
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700 X3D
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4 3600mhz Gskill Ripjaws V
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4070 Super , 12GB VRAM Asus EVO Overclock
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte M27Q (rev. 2.0) 2560 x 1440 @ 170hz HDR
    Hard Drives
    2TB Samsung nvme ssd
    2TB XPG nvme ssd
    PSU
    CORSAIR RMx SHIFT Series™ RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
    Case
    CORSAIR 3500X ARGB Mid-Tower ATX PC Case – Black
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 240 CPU Water Cooler
    Internet Speed
    900mbps DOWN, 100mbps UP
  • Operating System
    Chrome OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Chromebook
    CPU
    Intel Pentium Quad Core
    Memory
    4GB LPDDR4
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14 Inch HD SVA anti glare micro edge display
    Hard Drives
    64 GB emmc
Sounds odd to me. Normally you can recover a MS account if you go through a few challenges.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.2894
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Swift SF114-34
    CPU
    Pentium Silver N6000 1.10GHz
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD
    Cooling
    fanless
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot Secure Anywhere
    Other Info
    System 3

    ASUS T100TA Transformer
    Processor Intel Atom Z3740 @ 1.33GHz
    Installed RAM 2.00 GB (1.89 GB usable)
    System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor

    Edition Windows 10 Home
    Version 22H2 build 19045.3570
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
    CPU
    Atom N450 1.66GHz
    Memory
    2GB
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot
Sounds odd to me. Normally you can recover a MS account if you go through a few challenges.
Agreed, you can usually recover the account even if you forgot the backup codes in some way. It takes time to verify identity but it is possible.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700 X3D
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4 3600mhz Gskill Ripjaws V
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4070 Super , 12GB VRAM Asus EVO Overclock
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte M27Q (rev. 2.0) 2560 x 1440 @ 170hz HDR
    Hard Drives
    2TB Samsung nvme ssd
    2TB XPG nvme ssd
    PSU
    CORSAIR RMx SHIFT Series™ RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
    Case
    CORSAIR 3500X ARGB Mid-Tower ATX PC Case – Black
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 240 CPU Water Cooler
    Internet Speed
    900mbps DOWN, 100mbps UP
  • Operating System
    Chrome OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Chromebook
    CPU
    Intel Pentium Quad Core
    Memory
    4GB LPDDR4
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14 Inch HD SVA anti glare micro edge display
    Hard Drives
    64 GB emmc
sounds like they were stupid and didn't keep their backup codes like they were told multiple times when 2fa is set up
Sounds odd to me. Normally you can recover a MS account if you go through a few challenges.
Agreed, you can usually recover the account even if you forgot the backup codes in some way. It takes time to verify identity but it is possible.
I don't use a cell phone so I wouldn't know. I do recall using the MS authenticator and writing down my codes. Well, those codes failed and I was locked out of that account. Fortunately, it was for a game that my daughters played and I rarely played. I just let it go. Only one more proof that I can't solely trust Microsoft for my security online. To be sure I'll not use their 2FA like that again. For me, it's the land line and I'll stick with using pass words.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
I don't use a cell phone so I wouldn't know. I do recall using the MS authenticator and writing down my codes. Well, those codes failed and I was locked out of that account. Fortunately, it was for a game that my daughters played and I rarely played. I just let it go. Only one more proof that I can't solely trust Microsoft for my security online. To be sure I'll not use their 2FA like that again. For me, it's the land line and I'll stick with using pass words.
No offense, but this seems like a thing you didn't do correctly, not an issue with microsoft.

I have 2fa on everything with backup codes etc authenticator apps and I have never had an issue.

Authenticator app codes cannot be written down, as they change constantly.

Backup codes are something else entirely separate from the authenticator app. They are to be used as a last resort if you lost your phone or don't have a way to get a code for some reason. They can each only be used once.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700 X3D
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4 3600mhz Gskill Ripjaws V
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4070 Super , 12GB VRAM Asus EVO Overclock
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte M27Q (rev. 2.0) 2560 x 1440 @ 170hz HDR
    Hard Drives
    2TB Samsung nvme ssd
    2TB XPG nvme ssd
    PSU
    CORSAIR RMx SHIFT Series™ RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
    Case
    CORSAIR 3500X ARGB Mid-Tower ATX PC Case – Black
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 240 CPU Water Cooler
    Internet Speed
    900mbps DOWN, 100mbps UP
  • Operating System
    Chrome OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Chromebook
    CPU
    Intel Pentium Quad Core
    Memory
    4GB LPDDR4
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14 Inch HD SVA anti glare micro edge display
    Hard Drives
    64 GB emmc
I don't use a cell phone so I wouldn't know. I do recall using the MS authenticator and writing down my codes. Well, those codes failed and I was locked out of that account. Fortunately, it was for a game that my daughters played and I rarely played. I just let it go. Only one more proof that I can't solely trust Microsoft for my security online. To be sure I'll not use their 2FA like that again. For me, it's the land line and I'll stick with using pass words.
i use 2FA but it sent as a text message to my not very smart Nokia flip phone which then gets deleted after its been used.
best of luck, Steve ..
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 24" AiO
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" HP
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    250GB C:/Windows .. 750GB D:/Home.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    Internet Speed
    900MB full fibre
    Browser
    Vivaldi .. Browser, Calendar, eMail.
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 24" AiO
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 5500u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon GPU
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    250GB C:/Windows .. 750GB D:/Home.
    2x 1TB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    Internet Speed
    900MB Full Fibre
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security
    Other Info
    Mainly Windows Software
    'The Wife's Computer'
No ones information is sacred anymore, well unless you can control all the cameras and crooks all over this world. If anyone has a way to 100% guarantee us that any persons personal information is 100% hack proof, please patent it now, you could be a trillionaire in a week. If you have a drivers license or social security card are medical record in the US, you're open season to be hacked, lets not forget, there are many ways to get hacked, even if you don't even own a PC. Let that sink in. ;-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
No ones information is sacred anymore, well unless you can control all the cameras and crooks all over this world. If anyone has a way to 100% guarantee us that any persons personal information is 100% hack proof, please patent it now, you could be a trillionaire in a week. If you have a drivers license or social security card are medical record in the US, you're open season to be hacked, lets not forget, there are many ways to get hacked, even if you don't even own a PC. Let that sink in. ;-)
Actually the cost and legal things you have to do to patent stuff is quite complex.

EU process here : (I'm sure UK, US, AUS, CAN etc have similar procedures.)

The worst people for data "protection" are the Credit agencies like Experian etc - but nobody ever seems to get on their case.




Please don't rant about stuff you obviously know NOTHING about. I've run small businesses for years plus been an independent contractor too -- so nothing in any case as ever been proved to be 100% hackproof -- same as there never has been a 100% escape proof jail including Guantanamo Bay.

I've run small businesses for years plus for 99% of my working life been an independent contractor so I have first hand experience with this stuff and it's not as simple as you seem to imply -- even getting a good USP for a business is not so easy either. !!

Things like DVLA / US social security etc -- OK one can get data but it's actually quite hard unless you are with FBI -- even local Police have to make a good case and get a court order (usually Federal in the US) which is not always easy -- OK some corrupt depts are always there but it's much harder than most people think to gert this type of data -- so please GET REAL.

Constructive discussions on these topicsa are always great but something like your post just sounds like even poor "Agit prop" rubbish by left wing political activistis in the 1960's era.
 
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Things like DVLA / US social security etc -- OK one can get data but it's actually quite hard unless you are with FBI -- even local Police have to make a good case and get a court order (usually Federal in the US) which is not always easy -- OK some corrupt depts are always there but it's much harder than most people think to gert this type of data -- so please GET REAL.
Here, people break into multiple mail box units everyday, to get your personal info like SS numbers, etc. Here, they even break into the big mailboxes right outside our post offices, most of the data of anyone here is so simple to get, even a 10 year old could figure it out.
 

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Here, people break into multiple mail box units everyday, to get your personal info like SS numbers, etc. Here, they even break into the big mailboxes right outside our post offices, most of the data of anyone here is so simple to get, even a 10 year old could figure it out.
Physical (i.e analog) crime is a totally different ball game -- that requires society to teach youngsters respect for others, education, political will, Courts dishing out proper sentences etc -- nothing to do with hacking.

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Windows Defender is a highly backed program by microsoft and has a very large R&D budget, so your argument doesn't hold water. Microsoft has a vested interest in keeping your OS safe, not just for reputation, but for financial reasons as well. No one will be more motivated to protect their product than the people making that product.

I have seen countless paid products share the same or similar detections results to windows defender. Of course, just like with any other company, things will change from time to time and one product might be better than another for a time being in detection rates, but that's just the nature of security. There is no best program or one do it all solution that will magically fix everything.

We have seen time and time again the rise of vulnerabilities on security products themselves, due to them using ill advised or bad methods to have complete control over the system to function how they "need to".

Other security products and their research is well needed and a great thing to have in the industry as competition makes things better for everyone. There are multiple R&D and security companies working on things all the time. The amount of threats are endless. Nothing will ever be a silver bullet.

I am not saying windows defender is perfect, however I am saying that it is not a basic or pathetic solution as you seem to imply. It is true that using windows defender is something that by default people are using the most, so it's going to be attacked more and targeted to be bypassed.

I use malwarebytes as a second opinion, but I don't think it's strictly necessary.


Exactly. We don't know what AV they were using. Sure if someone used sophos they claim they would have blocked it. We don't know if they were running as admin, what group policies if any were applied, etc. The article is extremely loose on details.

Also this was a usb malware attack, this is a very common sore point for any security solution. According to sophos from this article:


PlugX is fairly common backdoor malware (a RAT, remote access Trojan) of Chinese origin. If you read the article you get a surprise ;)

So if it is common I would hope that any and all security solution would have been able to identify the new threat, but that doesn't always happen. I think its more of the luck of the draw when it comes to security, vs any security solution being "bad".



Dear god that was a nightmare. Thanks for bringing that back lol. :ROFLMAO:


Luckily changes are being made on that front to help prevent these issues going forward.

Well written and helpful.

I use Microsoft defender for my computer. Thus far I am clean as a whistle!
 

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For all the people who believe aditional Antivirus software, is not necessary..​

"FBI wipes Chinese PlugX malware from thousands of Windows PCs in America"​



I read the article. Nowhere within the article was it intimated or even stressed that one should use more than one antivirus software. Neither did it recommend that free and or paid for Anti virus programs be used. Of course, any savvy computer user would know to use an antivirus program. It is up to the individual as to how they protect their computers.

Further, I saw no recommendation as to what one should do to prevent the plugX from infecting ones computer.

I may have Later comments on this since I have not completely read the whole thread. What I have read is that way less than one percent of the Billions of computers Running Microsoft Windows Have been infected.
 

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Great post, great regime..

To be honest, I was so disgusted with some of the "pitch fork mob" like responses to this thread, for daring to question MS Windows Defender, I almost left this place, for good.
"For all the people who believe aditional Antivirus software, is not necessary.."

There was no perception on my part that you dared to question Microsoft Windows defender; what I perceived was that you Dared to lump all of us into one gigantic group of idiots who didn't know how to protect their machines!
 

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