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Hollywood · Oct 23, 2023

Froggie said:
If you do noting and move on (no resizing requirements), you'll get the full restore to the original locations.

I've never seen that scheduler issue before... sounds like it did (2) at the same time. See what happens at the next scheduled time.

OK, thanks!

Bree · Oct 23, 2023

Hollywood said:
Why does the new layout show 4 partitions when the computer that was backed up and restored to only has 3?

The computer that was backed up actually has 4 partitions, there is a 16MB unformatted MSR partition. This is hidden in Disk Management, but can be seen in other partition managers such as MiniTools Partition Wizard, and of course by any disk imaging software.

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Hollywood · Oct 23, 2023

Bree said:
The computer that was backed up actually has 4 partitions, there is a 16MB unformatted MSR partition. This is hidden in Disk Management, but can be seen in other partition managers such as MiniTools Partition Wizard, and of course by any disk imaging software.

Microsoft Reserved Partition - Wikipedia

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Thanks @Froggie and @Bree for explaining that. I always seen extra partitions but didn't know or care why, but for a restore, I guess it's good to know.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Hollywood said:
So, the one partition is highlighted, but if I do nothing, I will get the full restore?

Thanks for your answer. I was using TodoBackup for YEARS, but it started giving me errors AFTER it cleared the partitions. Hasleo is close, but different enough that I had some questions. Looks like a keeper.

Do you have any idea why the scheduler made 2 different size incremental backups at the scheduled time? Both same time/date.

As far as that scheduling issue is concerned, look at (2) items...

Select your task then select "Edit" in your Action DropDown. <click> on the "Backup schedules" LINK and make sure you only have that (1) Incremental scheduled. If so, <click> on the EDIT icon for that schedule item and insure it looks as you would expect it.

The second item to check would be your "Backup options" LINK under your task/edit window... make sure no file splitting has been set.

From your description, it may not have been (2) images at the same time but possibly one followed by another (this app images pretty fast)... just a guess here. If that's the case, the shorter one would be the one to use for restoration if the restoration is important to you and you're not just testing. Like I mentioned, I've never seen that happen before.

If you want to remove the anomaly and wait for the next scheduled 4am operation, just delete those (2) Incrementals from last night (probably 3 by now) and wait for the overnight result.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
Third issue... "sector by sector" backup is the same as Forensic mode with other imagers. It captures the entire surface of the partiton whether allocated for file use or not. And yes it takes much more time and space to image. Normal imaging is what's called a "used sector" image... only the sectors in use by the FileSystem. If you have a 1tB partition with a 20gB used image, you'll be imaging the entire 1tB in "sector by sector" mode.

I will add the following comment to the above observation...

When doing forensic images of SSDs (all types), if the SSD has been properly "optimized" (Windows 10+) by the OS (SSD TRIM execution), the DATA returned by the SSD for unallocated space will most likely be all ZEROs or all ONEs depending on the hardware controller used in the SSD. This type of DATA is very compressible by image compression algorithms. Some older SSD hardware controllers (and maybe still some in use) used to return RANDOM DATA (not internal file DATA) which of course would not be very compressible at all.

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
The second item to check would be your "Backup options" LINK under your task/edit window... make sure no file splitting has been set.

From your description, it may not have been (2) images at the same time but possibly one followed by another (this app images pretty fast)... just a guess here. If that's the case, the shorter one would be the one to use for restoration if the restoration is important to you and you're not just testing. Like I mentioned, I've never seen that happen before.

If you want to remove the anomaly and wait for the next scheduled 4am operation, just delete those (2) Incrementals from last night (probably 3 by now) and wait for the overnight result.

hmmm.... ya seem prety schmart

The file splitting is set to default, Automatic. In Edit mode, the options are greyed out so you cant change it. On a test job, the options are Automatic, Predefined size, and Custom size. I do not see an option for No File Splitting. That "tab" also has Compression and it is set to the default "medium", but I don't think that affects File Splitting?

I did as you said (yesterday, didn't delete yesterday's 2 files) and let it run the next schedule. Your "file splitting" explanation was plausible for the 2 files yesterday, but today Hasleo ran the schedule and created an incremental backup like expected, but the 2nd incremental dropped off (deleted itself?). Strange.

Anyway, what am I missing not seeing a way to set the job to NO file splitting?

Thanks!

cereberus · Oct 24, 2023

SIW2 said:
Why do you keep complaining , it is no hardship.

Not complaining - it is just poor design.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Hollywood said:
hmmm.... ya seem prety schmart
The file splitting is set to default, Automatic. In Edit mode, the options are greyed out so you cant change it. On a test job, the options are Automatic, Predefined size, and Custom size. I do not see an option for No File Splitting. That "tab" also has Compression and it is set to the default "medium", but I don't think that affects File Splitting?

I did as you said (yesterday, didn't delete yesterday's 2 files) and let it run the next schedule. Your "file splitting" explanation was plausible for the 2 files yesterday, but today Hasleo ran the schedule and created an incremental backup like expected, but the 2nd incremental dropped off (deleted itself?). Strange.

Anyway, what am I missing not seeing a way to set the job to NO file splitting?

Thanks!

File splitting is done by intuition or specification. AUTOMATIC will split files based on the specs of the formatting of the target device... NTFS= basically unlimited size, FAT(16 or 32)=a little over 4gB. PREDEFINED will split files based on the DropDown selection. CUSTOM will split at your specified file size. As stated, COMPRESSION doesn't affect file splitting specs.

No idea what happened to that 2nd INC file. To be safe, I would delete the INCs you have and let your setup do its INC tonight like normal... it will be an INC based on your original FULL if that's all you have left after your deletions.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Hollywood said:
Why does the new layout only have the first partition highlighted? Are there choices I have to make to get a complete disk restore on that screen?

As I was reviewing some of the posts, your observation above is wrong for restoring complete images, System or Disk/Partition. The only time you should see only the 1st partition highlighted is when you selected PARTITION mode for restore... that's only for restoring single partitions. If you took a System image, you should use SYSTEM restore and it will restore your whole image without affecting anything else that wasn't imaged on that partition. If you took a DISK image with all its partitions, the DISK restore will restore the image in its entirety.

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
File splitting is done by intuition or specification. AUTOMATIC will split files based on the specs of the formatting of the target device... NTFS= basically unlimited size, FAT(16 or 32)=a little over 4gB. PREDEFINED will split files based on the DropDown selection.

Thanks for your answer. I don't understand some technical stuff though. In another post you said to make sure File Splitting was turned off. My drive for the backups is an NTFS drive. From the post of yours that I am replying to, if it is set to Automatic on an NTFS drive, no file splitting is assumed. There is no actual option to turn off file splitting. Is that correct?

Thanks.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Hollywood said:
Thanks for your answer. I don't understand some technical stuff though. In another post you said to make sure File Splitting was turned off. My drive for the backups is an NTFS drive. From the post of yours that I am replying to, if it is set to Automatic on an NTFS drive, no file splitting is assumed. There is no actual option to turn off file splitting. Is that correct?

Thanks.

That is correct... I made some assumptions about your FileSystem knowledge before, sorry

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
As I was reviewing some of the posts, your observation above is wrong for restoring complete images, System or Disk/Partition. The only time you should see only the 1st partition highlighted is when you selected PARTITION mode for restore... that's only for restoring single partitions. If you took a System image, you should use SYSTEM restore

What I posted previously is still what I see.
1. Restore, screen says System and 4 partitions are pre-selected.
2. next screen shows Disk0, Disk1, and Disk2. Disk0 has all 4 partitions highlighted. Restore to Original Location is checked.
3. the next screen after that show the 4 partitions of Disk0 again with only the 1st 100mb partition highlighted. That is where I said it seemed confusing, but (I think) you said to proceed to restore unless I want to resize the partition (I don't). Like I stated in #1, when I started the restore for that image, System was automatically the default.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

I will run a quick test... back in a moment.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
I will run a quick test... back in a moment.

My question now is... are you using their Public download version or the Beta #3 version I referenced above? I'm not seeing what you saw. When I move to your screen (with Beta #3), all the System partitions are selected.

Lemme know...

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
My question now is... are you using their Public download version or the Beta #3 version I referenced above? I'm not seeing what you saw. When I move to your screen (with Beta #3), all the System partitions are selected.

Lemme know...

I installed the beta linked in a post above yesterday.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

I don't know what to say... if I take a System image, then ask to restore it, the partition image of that disk shows up with all the System needed partitions selected, then I NEXT and the "Location you want to restore to" window comes up with the disk it found with that configuration with all the System needed partitions selected and the "Restore to original location" checked. In your scenario, you say only the first partition is shown as selected.

Are you restoring to a blank disk or to the configured disk that was imaged?

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
Are you restoring to a blank disk or to the configured disk that was imaged?

I did not restore, I just went through the steps, but did not proceed. As I said I installed the beta yesterday, but made the scheduled backup a few days ago with the release. Just to be sure, I will create a new backup with the beta and see if the last restore screen is the same.

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
if I take a System image, then ask to restore it, the partition image of that disk shows up with all the System needed partitions selected, then I NEXT and the "Location you want to restore to" window comes up with the disk it found with that configuration with all the System needed partitions selected and the "Restore to original location" checked. In your scenario, you say only the first partition is shown as selected.

Are you restoring to a blank disk or to the configured disk that was imaged?

There is another screen after the "Restore to the original location" screen. That is the final screen where it shows the disk layout and only the first partition is pre highlighted.

Anyway, since I have the beta installed and created a backup from that. Nothing changed from what I wrote in post# 72.

Froggie · Oct 24, 2023

OK, my head's back on straight

Yes, that's the screen that would normally let you change the size of your partitions upon restoration, but with a SYSTEM restoration set and a "Restore to original location" option selected, that screen will not allow you to change anything during the restore. Eventually they may not even show you that screen during that type of restore. At the moment, it shows all the time regardless of restore type, but will be neutered accordingly depending on the restore type.

Sorry for all the confusion

Hollywood · Oct 24, 2023

Froggie said:
OK, my head's back on straight Yes, that's the screen that would normally let you change the size of your partitions upon restoration, but with a SYSTEM restoration set and a "Restore to original location" option selected, that screen will not allow you to change anything during the restore. Eventually they may not even show you that screen during that type of restore. At the moment, it shows all the time regardless of restore type, but will be neutered accordingly depending on the restore type.

Sorry for all the confusion

yes, on a System restore that last screen may not be necessary, but if so it should be clearer what is expected for the user to do. thanks for doing what you can to support this fine program!

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