Insider KB5004300 Windows 11 Insider Preview Beta and Dev Build 10.0.22000.100 - July 29

Winuser · Jul 30, 2021

Stigg said:
If I join Windows Insider, then later decide to leave it, do I get to keep Windows 11?

Are you asking if you leave the Insider builds can you use the released version of Windows 11? If so and you have a legal key then yes. The worst case scenario is that you might have to do a clean install. Just keep in mind that most keys are only good for one device at a time and a OEM key is only good for the device it was originally installed on.

Altob16916 · Jul 30, 2021

Lance1 said:
Two Men In Black will come into your house and take your computer. Then flash you with a very bright light and you won't remember anything....

Stigg · Jul 30, 2021

Lance1 said:
Two Men In Black will come into your house and take your computer. Then flash you with a very bright light and you won't remember anything....

Only two men?
It'll take more than that.

Wynona · Jul 30, 2021

Stigg said:
If I join Windows Insider, then later decide to leave it, do I get to keep Windows 11?

Yes you can, Stigg. Microsoft has already told us Windows 11 will be free to everyone running Windows 10. If their computer meets specs, that is.

And, once the Insider Preview of Windows 11 is installed on your computer, if you decide you want to keep it, why bother to drop out of the Insider Program? Whatever your decision, there's always UUPDump for non-Insiders.

Stigg · Jul 30, 2021

Wynona said:
Yes you can, Stigg. Microsoft has already told us Windows 11 will be free to everyone running Windows 10. If their computer meets specs, that is.

And, once the Insider Preview of Windows 11 is installed on your computer, if you decide you want to keep it, why bother to drop out of the Insider Program? Whatever your decision, there's always UUPDump for non-Insiders.

Nice answer, Wynona.
The reason why I would want to drop out of the insider program at some point in the future is because I don't wish to receive ongoing beta updates indefinitely.
But, yeah, maybe UUP Dump is a better way to go.

banger · Jul 30, 2021

Stigg said:
Nice answer, Wynona.
The reason why I would want to drop out of the insider program at some point in the future is because I don't wish to receive ongoing beta updates indefinitely.
But, yeah, maybe UUP Dump is a better way to go.

You can turn on the "Stop receiving previews" switch in the insider settings.

sgage · Jul 30, 2021

Stigg said:
Nice answer, Wynona.
The reason why I would want to drop out of the insider program at some point in the future is because I don't wish to receive ongoing beta updates indefinitely.
But, yeah, maybe UUP Dump is a better way to go.

In the past, as a new version has worked its way through the Insider builds and becomes ready for release, there has been a window of time that you could drop out of Insiders and just get back on the release track. MS has been pretty good about announcing this. So you can ride the development builds up to release, then get off when it's released. I believe the window has generally been around 2 weeks. I've taken advantage of this in the past.

Stigg · Jul 30, 2021

banger said:
You can turn on the "Stop receiving previews" switch in the insider settings.

sgage said:
In the past, as a new version has worked its way through the Insider builds and becomes ready for release, there has been a window of time that you could drop out of Insiders and just get back on the release track. MS has been pretty good about announcing this. So you can ride the development builds up to release, then get off when it's released. I believe the window has generally been around 2 weeks. I've taken advantage of this in the past.

They're the answers I am looking for. :)

jyusa · Jul 30, 2021

As far as I can see, UUP Dump is always the better and flexible way to stay on the latest build. Unless you need to try the update process for MS.

bobkn · Jul 30, 2021

banger said:
You can turn on the "Stop receiving previews" switch in the insider settings.

If memory serves, that doesn't remove you from the insider program.

I believe this is what I used in Windows 10: exiting Insider I have no idea whether this would also work in 11.

Cliff S · Jul 31, 2021

After some heavy use this morning I have confirmed File Explorer will freeze up(or not responding in the title bar showing) when you have a few programs trying to access stuff in your libraries at the same time. I have never experienced this before, never.

I noticed in the last week; a bit of latency or slight delay in explorers reaction to clicking, in being able to do something while another program is running, example photos is open, and you right click the picture to apply as wallpaper, and other things the like.

luarpc · Jul 31, 2021

imaddicted2u said:
I'm in the same boat. Someone on feedback hub gave me these registry keys to change:

"Right-click start, run, type regedit and click OK

1. Navigate to Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\Applicability
Change BranchName from Dev to Beta

2. Navigate to Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\UI\Selection
Change UIBranch from Dev to Beta

3. Reboot & check Insider settings again"

After the reboot, I'm in the Release Preview Channel, instead of the Beta. Also, both keys are changed to Release Preview.
Top of screen reads, "Your PC does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. Your channel options will be limited".
Now the Dev option is greyed out too. Makes me wonder if non compliant devices will be kicked out of Dev in the future.

EDIT: I was able to switch back to Dev using the registry keys.

View attachment 4415

Hi,

Thanks for this.

It worked, reverted to Dev Channel again and i will stick on Dev. I like to have the latest builds to test.

Thanks again.

Cliff S · Jul 31, 2021

After getting used to the new settings app, I'm finding it better than Win10's(when I use one of my other PC's that still have it).
It seems more logical, and kind of set up like a modern version of the old toolbars at the top of an open windows, just it slides the options open, instead of opening a dropdown menu.

Cliff S · Jul 31, 2021

But!
One thing really sucks garlic bon-bons is when running benchmarks, the graphics keep hitching , like I'm missing frames

'scuse please? I have a 3090 and a 9900K

I don't game, but I bet the experience is rotten too.

Bree · Jul 31, 2021

Cliff S said:
After getting used to the new settings app, I'm finding it better than Win10's(when I use one of my other PC's that still have it).
It seems more logical, and kind of set up like a modern version of the old toolbars at the top of an open windows, just it slides the options open, instead of opening a dropdown menu.

Yes, logically structured and a big improvement. I was getting tired of the guessing game of where some settings had been hidden in each new version of W10 - they just seemed to be randomly moved on a whim :lmao:

johnlgalt · Jul 31, 2021

Cliff S said:
After getting used to the new settings app, I'm finding it better than Win10's(when I use one of my other PC's that still have it).
It seems more logical, and kind of set up like a modern version of the old toolbars at the top of an open windows, just it slides the options open, instead of opening a dropdown menu.

Bree said:
Yes, logically structured and a big improvement. I was getting tired of the guessing game of where some settings had been hidden in each new version of W10 - they just seemed to be randomly moved on a whim

Agreed. It is definitely much better laid out.

Cliff S said:
But!
One thing really sucks garlic bon-bons is when running benchmarks, the graphics keep hitching , like I'm missing frames
'scuse please? I have a 3090 and a 9900K

I don't game, but I bet the experience is rotten too.

I do. It's actually pretty nice. Especially with the Auto HDR feature for 4K displays.

I've not had any real issues that can be traced back directly to my use of Windows 11 when gaming. Except for some older games simply refusing to open (but each of those has been remastered in one way or another and the remastered editions work).

ksio89 · Jul 31, 2021

Updated to 20000.100 on my VMware VM, so far so good. Changed to Dev channel, let's see what comes next.

Almighty1 · Jul 31, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Didn't realize you were so close in age to me. I was 11 in 82. and my parents are Indian immigrants to the US. For me, the math has never been hard. It's something that comes naturally.

Problem is, that it is impossible to release something with this many lines of code on a multiple times per week basis regularly. I would like to see even the Dev channel commit to no more than one version update per week, giving them time to actually work on bugs and fix them The sheer amount of testing required before releasing a fully functional OS for public testing, even in a Dev channel, would be staggering.

I've still got the "Automatic sample submission not enabled on reboot" bug. It seems like it is a quick fix - but it hasn't been fixed yet. I'd rather see that fixed (even though it is a mere annoyance, nothing more) than to see new emjois, or more shuffling around of control panel items to Windows Settings. Which is why I do like it when they start doing the Bug bash series, prior to an imminent release.

This. The build number should not reference the release channel. It works fine for other software, but for something as large as an OS, build number + channel tells you what you need to know.

Yep, I guess either you have something naturally or you don't. I'm American Born Chinese and own system admin which handles most of our network actually started as a 11 year old who is in I believe the east coast US that runs Debian Linux that is also Indian.

Actually, as for code, it depends how they do it because for FreeBSD, they have the src tree which is a mailing list so you actually see what is committed even though it might be just a few lines of code changed. And ofcourse, it has worked well since FreeBSD had been released in 1993 or so without problems as you can see here, the development source code and themost recent update:

[base] Index of /

svnweb.freebsd.org

I stand corrected, I should say the head branch is really the development branch similar to the developers channel and it really depends how often the committers have time to commit, it can be days or weeks or months. What I meant was if I see something changed in the source tree that I need as it comes by e-mail, I would sync the source tree and then just do three commands:
make cleanworld
make buildworld
and assuming it successfully builds, then make installworld whenever I want so technically it is not a specific build number because there isn't any but it's more what my latest srctree sync is.

For Windows, it's different since it's released as binary only and it really depends on how many people are working on the code. So hard to say because Microsoft is not exactly the best when it comes to programming, otherwise they wouldn't still have the resource limitations that has been around since the Windows 9x days regardess how much memory you have. Build number is always a build number, just the less stable channels would just get the newer releases first and then after things work well, it goes to the stable channel.

Almighty1 · Jul 31, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Ha. Try auto-correct when using voice-to-text features on mobile. I was born and raised in the US, and don't have any sort of accent (unless I really push the Southern twang that I can emulate) and yet using voice to text will almost always get something, somewhere wrong.

I actually never use voice to text and I usually don't type on the mobile either as it's too slow compared to a real regular sized computer keyboard, guess typing on a piece of glass feels weird. I was borned in Mississippi but moved to San Francisco when I was 6.5 and don't have accents from either states. I'll have to try voice to text just for free entertainment one of these days....

Almighty1 · Jul 31, 2021

sgage said:
In the past, as a new version has worked its way through the Insider builds and becomes ready for release, there has been a window of time that you could drop out of Insiders and just get back on the release track. MS has been pretty good about announcing this. So you can ride the development builds up to release, then get off when it's released. I believe the window has generally been around 2 weeks. I've taken advantage of this in the past.

While on the same subject, is there a way for Windows Update to just show the new update in Windows Update without a mandatory install and it will stay there until you manually click install, since sometimes if you read there are problems with a new build that requires a clean install, that is one way to avoid it.

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