Quick Launch with 24H2?


1. Try changing the Taskbar icon size to Small in ExplorerPatcher settings first. Then when the taskbar is unlocked, right-click on the separator between the Search icon and the QuickLaunch, choose View, and change it back to Small icons. The result also depends on your Display resolution and Scale, though. (These can be found in Windows Settings > System > Display.)

2. For me, Windows updates do not reshuffle the icons on my toolbar. When you right-clicked on an empty space on the taskbar > Toolbars > New toolbar... > what folder did you pick there?

3. Disable grouping on the taskbar
IMO also check out Taskbar Labels for Windows 11
1. Before I saw this, I uninstalled EP, then reinstalled it and that fixed the icon size problem. Afterwards, I do see that I can r-click on the separator and change the View/sizes. Thanks!
2. When I first installed EP, I had to reboot before r-click/Toolbars showed an option for Quick Launch (someone mentioned this way back in this thread). After I uninstalled/reinstalled it today, that option didn't appear, so I put in the file path to get to the Quick Launch folder. And that's the folder I have picked now.
Btw, I found a way make it easier to sort the shortcuts... unlock taskbar, slide the divider all the way to the left so there's only one shortcut showing, then click the up menu arrows and you can drag items around in there much easier than on the taskbar itself. All of that being said, when windows ran updates overnight, the shortcuts order got rearranged. I guess I'll find out with the next update if that keeps happening.
3. I tried this Windhawk mod, but it didn't work, as BramEPC also reports. Have you gotten it to work, and if so, how?
Thanks!

Btw, here's a shot of the effectively sized icons:

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So I can not create a situation with [double commander] [foobar] [double commander]
Is that possible on your system ?
No, this doesn't work for me either. See my longer reply above to hdmi. Would love to have a solution for this.
 

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I don't know about Peter27 but i have that windhawk mod for disable grouping active.

And in its settings
"Place ungrouped items together" is disabled,

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and "Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11" is selected

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But it still places ungrouped items of the same type together ?

Take for example:
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If i open a new double commander, it will appear between the second double commander and foobar.
Or if i move a single double commander behind foobar, it moves all of them.

So I can not create a situation with [double commander] [foobar] [double commander]
Is that possible on your system ?

(I don't think there is something in Taskbar labels that seems to influence this ? )
For me, it works.

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1. Before I saw this, I uninstalled EP, then reinstalled it and that fixed the icon size problem. Afterwards, I do see that I can r-click on the separator and change the View/sizes. Thanks!
2. When I first installed EP, I had to reboot before r-click/Toolbars showed an option for Quick Launch (someone mentioned this way back in this thread). After I uninstalled/reinstalled it today, that option didn't appear
After that option didn't appear, did you try rebooting again? Also, in ExplorerPatcher settings you might have to ensure that the Taskbar icon size is set to Small. Otherwise you might find that you can't seem to open the right-click menu that normally appears when you right-click on a separator of the unlocked taskbar.
, so I put in the file path to get to the Quick Launch folder. And that's the folder I have picked now.
I see. The %appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch folder belongs to Windows. It also means that Windows can do with it whatever it likes. So whenever Windows feels like it wants to reshuffle your icons that you put in there, that's it.. you're done! 😂
Btw, I found a way make it easier to sort the shortcuts... unlock taskbar, slide the divider all the way to the left so there's only one shortcut showing, then click the up menu arrows and you can drag items around in there much easier than on the taskbar itself.
Either that or IMO go buy a Logitech G402 Hyperion Fury. Because, Ivo Beltchev said it right.. it's essentially the same thing as a Sierra adventure. :p
All of that being said, when windows ran updates overnight, the shortcuts order got rearranged. I guess I'll find out with the next update if that keeps happening.
3. I tried this Windhawk mod, but it didn't work, as BramEPC also reports. Have you gotten it to work, and if so, how?
Thanks!

Btw, here's a shot of the effectively sized icons:

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I don't know why it works for me but not for you guys. I didn't use any magic.. maybe try changing the Taskbar icon size to Small in the ExplorerPatcher settings like I said. 3840x2160 is my Display resolution, and my Scale setting is at 150%. It looks like this:

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For me, it works.

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Thanks. Don't know why mine is not working. I noticed you also have selected to use Windows Icons vs App icons. I switched mine to that too, but didn't have any affect. Do you have anything else selected under that Windhawk mod?
 

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After that option didn't appear, did you try rebooting again? Also, in ExplorerPatcher settings you might have to ensure that the Taskbar icon size is set to Small. Otherwise you might find that you can't seem to open the right-click menu that normally appears when you right-click on a separator of the unlocked taskbar.
I see. The %appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch folder belongs to Windows. It also means that Windows can do with it whatever it likes. So whenever Windows feels like it wants to reshuffle your icons that you put in there, that's it.. you're done! 😂
I am able to r-click on the separator bar, so that's fine. Thanks

- What folder location did you select when you set up your Quicklaunch? Did you create a folder in a random location and just drop your shortcuts there? I was assuming you had to use the file path you mention above (%appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch), since there is a QuickLaunch folder already there, but maybe it would work to create a folder on my desktop for example, and put my shortcuts there, and set the file path to that? Or does it have to be in the Internet Explorer folder for Explorer Patcher to see it?

I tried setting the Taskbar icons to small in Explorer Patcher, and rebooted, didn't fix the grouping problem.
Also, rebooting after installing Windhawk, didn't fix the grouping issue. However, it did reshuffle my Quicklaunch shortcuts again! Arrggh!

- I notice that it puts the shortcuts in alphabetical order by shortcut name. I tried sorting the contents of that folder by Date Modified, but it still put them in alpha order on my Quicklaunch taskbar after a reboot. Could this be some setting somewhere in the Internet Explorer folder, etc, or ExplorerPatcher to change the default order to "custom" or something? Haven't found anything.

And my resolution is the same as yours, 3840x2160. However, if I put my scale resolution to 150%, I need a magnifying glass to read the screen. So I have it at 300%, which is the default.
- I assume you're talking about what you set via r-clicking the desktop; is there a way to set display resolution just for the Taskbar?
 
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Updated Windows 11 26100.2894 and lost the quick launch and got the huge taskbar.
All of Windows 11 is dreadful to not allow you to change things yourself.
OpenShell for the "proper" Start Menu, been using for years.
And
Explorer Patcher, to get the small taskbar and Quick Launch back.
What a program. HAPPY :-)
 

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Amen to that. [rant]Apart from the gui mess I am now fighting with hyper V, which messes with virtualbox (search for green turtle threads) and vmware player. If it was not about the be phased out I think i would switch to windows 10 at this point and pray that windows 12 will shows some signs of intelligence/user friendliness. Going for linux as my main OS and running windows as a guest for the programs that need it has also already crossed my mind. [/rant]
 

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Thanks. Don't know why mine is not working. I noticed you also have selected to use Windows Icons vs App icons. I switched mine to that too, but didn't have any affect. Do you have anything else selected under that Windhawk mod?
I left all the other settings alone with only one exception: I turned on Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 at the bottom.
I am able to r-click on the separator bar, so that's fine. Thanks

- What folder location did you select when you set up your Quicklaunch? Did you create a folder in a random location and just drop your shortcuts there? I was assuming you had to use the file path you mention above (%appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch), since there is a QuickLaunch folder already there, but maybe it would work to create a folder on my desktop for example, and put my shortcuts there, and set the file path to that? Or does it have to be in the Internet Explorer folder for Explorer Patcher to see it?
I created my own empty subfolder inside my %userprofile% folder. Then I copied the file
%appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Shows Desktop.lnk into that subfolder; it is the toolbar that you see right next to my start button. It mimics the old Quick Launch area, but it only has one shortcut, because I prefer to keep it clean.

You can add multiple toolbars on the taskbar as needed. Just create another new subfolder and put in the shortcuts you want. My second toolbar is what you see near the center of my taskbar. You can also see that there's more than enough empty space on either side of this toolbar to effectively avoid icon overflow in both the Pinned/open apps area and the Notification area of my taskbar. (I have "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" enabled in Windows.)

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I tried setting the Taskbar icons to small in Explorer Patcher, and rebooted, didn't fix the grouping problem.
Also, rebooting after installing Windhawk, didn't fix the grouping issue. However, it did reshuffle my Quicklaunch shortcuts again! Arrggh!
Maybe create a system image of your Windows partition and all the other partitions required to keep Windows fully functional, so that you can later do a restore from that image. Keep this one separate and also consider to make additional backup copies of it.

Next, do a clean install of Windows 11 to see if you can then customize its UI as intended. If so, you'll know that something is wrong with your current installation, in which case you could try to reproduce the issue by installing and configuring all your other stuff, one step at a time and checking each time if the issue has returned after.

I know that it's tedious, but after the clean install you can create a full image before you proceed with the first few steps one of which could be the culprit. If none of them are, create an incremental image that is based on your full image. Then perform the next few steps, check if one of them broke anything. If none of them did, create another incremental image that, this time around, is based on the previous images in the set. Keep doing more steps and repeat.

As long as you don't lose any images from the set, you should be able to do a restore from whichever the image you want to restore from the set, to undo all changes made after that image was created. By keeping track of what changes you made after the last image was created each time, you should be able to also identify which step is responsible for the problem that you are experiencing.

Another thing to note is that creating too many incremental images in a set may cause unexpected problems when you try to restore from one of these images. So, to avoid this potential risk, I suggest to create another full image to begin a new set of incremental images before the number of incremental images in the previous set reaches beyond a conservative limit.

You could also decide to combine this strategy with running on a VM. Even if you think that trying to get the Windhawk mod to work is not worth all the hassle, it is still a good practice to avoid future problems with other applications and changes you will be making also at some point in the future.
- I notice that it puts the shortcuts in alphabetical order by shortcut name. I tried sorting the contents of that folder by Date Modified, but it still put them in alpha order on my Quicklaunch taskbar after a reboot. Could this be some setting somewhere in the Internet Explorer folder, etc, or ExplorerPatcher to change the default order to "custom" or something? Haven't found anything.
Somehow I still suspect that Windows regularly interferes with the %appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch folder. Also, File Explorer with tabs still has many mysterious quirks so, maybe try setting Control Interface to Windows 10 Ribbon in the File Explorer section of ExplorerPatcher's settings.
And my resolution is the same as yours, 3840x2160. However, if I put my scale resolution to 150%, I need a magnifying glass to read the screen. So I have it at 300%, which is the default.
- I assume you're talking about what you set via r-clicking the desktop
Yes.
; is there a way to set display resolution just for the Taskbar?
I don't think so. Amrsatrio designed it such that it mimics the Windows 10 taskbar and all of its functionality as closely as he possible could. Although it still isn't an exact match, you have to futz around with it one heck of a lot to spot the imperfections in how it behaves. I am still deeply impressed by what he manged to achieve. He must have had a really difficult time trying to pull it off.
 

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I have created a quick launch folder in personal folder with most of my data

1) C:\PERSONAL\QUICK LAUNCH
2) Pin the folder to taskbar
3)Change the icon
 

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Thanks. Don't know why mine is not working. I noticed you also have selected to use Windows Icons vs App icons. I switched mine to that too, but didn't have any affect. Do you have anything else selected under that Windhawk mod?
I left all the other settings alone with only one exception: I turned on Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 at the bottom.
I already did that a few days ago (cfr see my screenshots) and it did not work, even after rebooting.

However, I just noticed now that all of a sudden it does work at the moment !?!
So new instances are opened after the last one on the taskbar and I can freely move a single instance anywhere I want without the other icons of that type moving.

But the problem is I have no idea at what point the behavior changed, AFAIK I did not change windhawk or other windows settings anymore since I made the screenshots, neither did I update something (and I have disabled windows updates).

Maybe the "Taskbar Labels for Windows 11" mod is in fact somehow involved in the behavior after all, but only only starts working after some unknown trigger ?

Some things that happened in the past days which should not be relevant :
- I rebooted the computer a few (2?) times more ( virtualbox sometimes just starts failing to launch VMs , which works again after doing a reboot. No idea what that is about).
- I used seamless mode in virtualbox
- My taskbar crashed (disappeared) and restarted at some point
- I used remote desktop connection

If I can think of something else I will update (or if it switches behavior again).

I would say, Peter27, pay better attention than me to the behavior and if it changes try remembering what just happened before?
 

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I left all the other settings alone with only one exception: I turned on Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 at the bottom.
Oh ha! I thought I had tried this before and it didn't work, but... just tried it again and now it works! (the ghost in the machine?? or like BramEPC suggests, maybe there is/are some unknown trigger(s) that have to be present for it to work). Btw, I only saved the Windhawk change, did not reboot.
I confirmed this was at least the final change that did it by toggling it off and back on again. With it off, icons are grouped. With it on, they are not. They appear in order they are opened (and you can move them independently). Resolved!! (at least for now haha). Hopefully this holds through the next reboot.

hdmi also suggested, "Also, File Explorer with tabs still has many mysterious quirks so, maybe try setting Control Interface to Windows 10 Ribbon in the File Explorer section of ExplorerPatcher's settings." Note, I tried this before doing the Windhawk mod. Toggling this on/off now doesn't seem to impact grouping, but I do like the more concise use of space with the Windows 10 Ribbon, so will leave it there.... BUT maybe that order of changes is what fixed the grouping?? and now that WIndhawk is working properly, changing the RIbbon setting doesn't impact it anymore (ie maybe this is an "unknown trigger"??).

So for future readers, if turning on Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 in Windhawk doesn't fix grouping. Turn it off. Then set: Control Interface to Windows 10 Ribbon in the File Explorer section of ExplorerPatcher's settings. Then turn on the Windhawk setting. Just speculating based on what I did this morning.

And yea, I have non grouping now!
 

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I created my own empty subfolder inside my %userprofile% folder. Then I copied the file
%appdata%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Shows Desktop.lnk into that subfolder; it is the toolbar that you see right next to my start button. It mimics the old Quick Launch area, but it only has one shortcut, because I prefer to keep it clean.
Fyi, I'll wait for the next reboot/update to see if the Ribbon and Windhawk changes I just made impact how the shortcuts are ordered in Quicklaunch. If they get put into alphabetical order again, I'll try creating a new subfolder elsewhere.
I created my own empty subfolder inside my %userprofile% folder.
Any particular reason you put it here? I wonder if on the desktop, or anywhere for that matter, would be better/ worse location.
I have created a quick launch folder in personal folder with most of my data

1) C:\PERSONAL\QUICK LAUNCH
2) Pin the folder to taskbar
FDretired: are you using Explorer Patcher? If so, you can create a new toolbar on the Taskbar instead of pinning a folder. Do you have any issues with the items in your QUICK LAUNCH getting rehuffled/reordered after updates or reboots with your approach?
 

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I don't know why it works for me but not for you guys. I didn't use any magic..
I am starting to suspect some amount of magic is in fact required :D

But I am glad at the moment somehow we all got it working.
Maybe some future reader of this thread struggling with it will figure out the exact sequence that triggers it to be working (dear future reader, please record your actions on camera, for science ! :D )
 

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FDretired: are you using Explorer Patcher? If so, you can create a new toolbar on the Taskbar instead of pinning a folder. Do you have any issues with the items in your QUICK LAUNCH getting rehuffled/reordered after updates or reboots with your approach?
I am not using explorer patch. It is not a true quick launch. I had to give it a name and named it "Quick Launch" . It is a simple folder with files and folder shortcuts that I access frequently example Health card (OHIP), Zoom password for a weekly Zoom session.
 

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hdmi also suggested, "Also, File Explorer with tabs still has many mysterious quirks so, maybe try setting Control Interface to Windows 10 Ribbon in the File Explorer section of ExplorerPatcher's settings."
Both the Windows 11 taskbar and the File Explorer with tabs still contain bugs that can sometimes (sometimes often) have a negative impact on the stability of the explorer.exe process. So, even after you have disabled the Windows 11 taskbar [by using ExplorerPatcher to replace it], the bugs in File Explorer with tabs can still cause the explorer.exe process to wind up in a bugged state somehow. This might prevent the Windhawk mod from being able to hook into the process correctly. Rebooting clears the bugged state, but I am guessing that the Windhawk mod doesn't correct the incorrect hook until you toggle the Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 switch off and back on again.

Another possible explanation might be that the Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher) taskbar of ExplorerPatcher was in a bugged state [at the time when you toggled the Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 switch on for the first time]. AFAIK the only time when ExplorerPatcher goes into a bugged state in this manner is after you click on the Restart File Explorer link in the bottom left corner of ExplorerPatcher's settings window panel. Rebooting soon after you clicked on that one does prevent this specific ExplorerPatcher problem altogether, though. (At least for me, it does.)

Also, although I haven't actually been testing this, running the command rundll32 %windir%\dxgi.dll,ZZRestartExplorer in lieu of clicking on the aforementioned link might effectively eliminate the aforementioned ExplorerPatcher problem.
So for future readers, if turning on Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 in Windhawk doesn't fix grouping. Turn it off. Then set: Control Interface to Windows 10 Ribbon in the File Explorer section of ExplorerPatcher's settings. Then turn on the Windhawk setting. Just speculating based on what I did this morning.
Or if that doesn't work either, then reboot before turning the Customize the old taskbar on Windows 11 setting in Windhawk back on. (Just another guess based on that rebooting usually never hurts.)
 

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Any particular reason you put it here? I wonder if on the desktop, or anywhere for that matter, would be better/ worse location.
Toolbars are a certain type of user-specific personalizations IMO. So it kind of made sense to put each toolbar in my user profile.

BTW, I find that toolbars (and ExplorerPatcher + some of Windhawk mods) used in conjunction with BOTH the Windows 7 Start Menu Style of Open-Shell AND SystemTrayMenu really is the pot of gold that's at the end of the Windows 11 rainbow.

P.S., typing just the first few letters of a foldername/filename in SystemTrayMenu moves the selection to where you want it to be so when you hit Enter, it opens the selected file or opens a cascaded sub-menu for the selected folder, which lets you use the keyboard to navigate a foldertree structure very fast with only a minimum number of keystrokes.
 
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BTW, I find that toolbars (and ExplorerPatcher + some of Windhawk mods) used in conjunction with BOTH the Windows 7 Start Menu Style of Open-Shell AND SystemTrayMenu really is the pot of gold that's at the end of the Windows 11 rainbow.

P.S., typing just the first few letters of a foldername/filename in SystemTrayMenu moves the selection to where you want it to be so when you hit Enter, it opens the selected file or opens a cascaded sub-menu for the selected folder, which lets you use the keyboard to navigate a foldertree structure very fast with only a minimum number of keystrokes.
Do all of these add-ons play well together (EP + WH + OS + STM)? For example, EP has an option to select Start Button Style (can pick either Win 10 or Win 11)... would that conflict with Win 7 Start menu style of OS? Which one would actually control what happens? Or would Win & OS add another option under EP's Start Button Style list for Win 7?

Also, can you add your own app links to Windows 7 Start Menu Style of Open-Shell? I have Bluestacks installed (android emulator) and run Whats App inside of it. I have an WA shortcut on my desktop (which opens Bluestacks and WA inside it), but this shortcut doesn't appear in the apps list under Start Menu (through EP, I have this set to Win 10 format; I'm guessing that's because that program is nested inside of Bluestacks?). So could I add the WA shortcut to Open Shell's listing of apps?

What do you personally use System Tray for? I have my most used apps, files and folders under Quicklaunch (with the first 11 displayed on the Taskbar, so I don't have to open any pop up, etc to use them; so super quick access). And can see how Win 7 OS would add a nicer display of ALL installed apps. Not sure how I would use System Tray.

Taskbar screenshot typical.webp

Thanks!
 

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Do all of these add-ons play well together (EP + WH + OS + STM)?
Yes, but there are several Windhawk mods that can only work if using the Windows 11 taskbar.
For example, EP has an option to select Start Button Style (can pick either Win 10 or Win 11)... would that conflict with Win 7 Start menu style of OS?
No.
Which one would actually control what happens? Or would Win & OS add another option under EP's Start Button Style list for Win 7?
Open-Shell. It also has a Start Button tab in its (Open-Shell Menu) settings window panel BTW.
Also, can you add your own app links to Windows 7 Start Menu Style of Open-Shell? I have Bluestacks installed (android emulator) and run Whats App inside of it. I have an WA shortcut on my desktop (which opens Bluestacks and WA inside it), but this shortcut doesn't appear in the apps list under Start Menu (through EP, I have this set to Win 10 format; I'm guessing that's because that program is nested inside of Bluestacks?). So could I add the WA shortcut to Open Shell's listing of apps?
Open-Shell Menu > Main Menu tab > Pinned Programs folder: if this option is selected, you can specify your own folderpath or leave the folderpath at its default; this folder is where Open-Shell keeps copied shortcuts and/or folders containing shortcuts that it associates with what you have Pinned to the Main menu (left column) of its Windows 7 Style start menu via "Pin to Start (Open-Shell)" [in the context menu of a shortcut/folder].

Customize Start Menu tab: here, the right column of this same Windows 7 Style start menu can be customized. It also is possible to insert (via right-click on a row) your own folders/shortcuts in there. Also, shell folders like, e.g.,
explorer.exe shell:::{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (God mode) are supported in there without the need to do it via a shortcut.

Controls tab: should Microsoft ever decide to steal your start menu again like they did when Windows 8 came out, this tab gives the option to do things like use BOTH the Open-Shell start menu AND the ExplorerPatcher start menu. 🤣
What do you personally use System Tray for? I have my most used apps, files and folders under Quicklaunch (with the first 11 displayed on the Taskbar, so I don't have to open any pop up, etc to use them; so super quick access). And can see how Win 7 OS would add a nicer display of ALL installed apps. Not sure how I would use System Tray.

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In some situations, using the keyboard to navigate to an item can be a tad quicker than clicking in the cascading menus of the Windows 7 Style start menu. It matters mostly when you have to navigate to the same items numerous times. There's only so many items that you can pin to the start menu, and there's only so many items that you can put on a toolbar without suffering diminishing returns. Case in point: you have icon overflow going on in every area of your taskbar, as your Quick Launch toolbar has the » button on it whereas all your notification area icons are hidden through the ^ button, yet, despite this, your open apps area is taking up half of your taskbar with only 5 items in it.

To compare, just click on my screenshot in my post #64. The icons in my open apps area have no labels, and the icons are much, MUCH smaller. There is no language indicator in my notification area, and there also is no date below the time of the clock. I use a 55″ TV as my only monitor.
 

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    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
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    Li-ion
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Logitech K800
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    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
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    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
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    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
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