StartAllBack

pietcorus2 · Dec 7, 2023

" Cool!

" ................yep, works perfectly ! :wink:

mikeb · Dec 7, 2023

Hello,

StartAllBack is such a great piece of software. Thank you for it.

I have 3.7.1, and, in StartAllBack configuration, when I select 'Tray icons', I don't see the option to 'Turn system icons on or off'. I see only 'Other system tray icons'.

I'd like to be able to turn some system icons off. Perhaps I am missing something.

Please see the below screenshots.

The first screenshot is from another post in this thread, and it shows the options to 'Turn system icons on or off'.

The second screenshot is what I see with version 3.7.1. The only option is 'Other system tray icons'.

Thank you.

Kees · Dec 8, 2023

Welcome in the elevenforum!

You have to left-click the symbol of which you want to change the function and then choose the options.
For instance the clock:

Where
Ingeschakeld = on
Uitgeschakeld= off
Indeling aanpassen = set user options (display day, short date, seconds)
Lettertype = font (and size of the clockfont)

Edit: when reading your question again, I see you are missing the first part of the settings.
For that I have no explanation.
Maybe @Tihiy can help you.

st1led · Dec 9, 2023

I discovered StartAllBack some time ago and absolutely love it, its killer feature for me is being able to arrange the taskbar vertically.

I just noticed that in version 3.7.1 there seems to be too little vertical space between the date and the notifications bell icon (see pic below).

Is there a setting to adjust it?

mikeb · Dec 11, 2023

mikeb said:
Hello,

StartAllBack is such a great piece of software. Thank you for it.

I have 3.7.1, and, in StartAllBack configuration, when I select 'Tray icons', I don't see the option to 'Turn system icons on or off'. I see only 'Other system tray icons'....

I think I figured out the issue.

The Tray Icons options are limited if this is set to Off: Taskbar > Use enhanced classic taskbar.

If I set 'Use enhanced classic taskbar' to On, the full 'Tray Icons' options appear.

dacrone · Dec 11, 2023

That’s because enhanced uses the win 10 taskbar. Completely different

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

Hi. I've been using StartAllBack since I upgraded to Windows 11 about a year ago. Great stuff.
I have an issue where the icons on the taskbar are "on top" but the taskbar itself (i.e. the dark grey background) is not. If I drag a window over the taskbar, the taskbar icons appear on top of the window, but the taskbar itself is now hidden (behind the window).
This issue is mainly occurring / causing a problem because I have my taskbar up the left edge of the screen (like Ubuntu) and, because I have two monitors side-by-side (left / right), I essentially have two taskbars (down the left side of each monitor), so any window on the left monitor which crosses to the right monitor, crosses the taskbar (and hence partially covers it).
I really don't want to move the taskbar back to the bottom for many reasons including a) I have more horizontal space than vertical so I prefer to maximise my vertical (I write a lot of code and want as much vertical as possible) and b) I typically have 5 or 6 remote sessions running (RDP / Citrix) and I have the taskbars in my remote sessions at the bottom. That makes it much easier to distinguish my local taskbar (on left) and remote taskbars (on bottom). c) I hate taskbars which auto-hide. d) That's one of the key reasons I purchased StartAllBack since Windows 11 took away so much customisation that I was used to in previous versions of Windows.

Kees · Dec 14, 2023

I think you'd better post some screenshots to show your problem.

pietcorus2 · Dec 14, 2023

New version came out ; 3.7.1.4850
Installed , very fine........

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

Here is the top-left of my right monitor which shows everything working correctly (because I have no windows overlapping the taskbar)

The above screenshot covers this part of my display (you can see my two monitors, the two vertical toolbars and the screenshot is the area in red):

If I now drag a window over the toolbar, I get this:

Right monitor with overlapped window.png

So, the icons of the toolbar are topmost, but the toolbar itself is hidden by the window.
This happens with any window, so I have a second screenshot with another window (from my left monitor) partially overlapping:

I've tried to keep every screenshot covering the same part of the screen, so you are looking at the same toolbar in all 3 screenshots.

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

I don't have much of a problem with windows on the right monitor because I simply keep them out of the way of the vertical toolbars.
My main issue is windows from the left monitor which are overlapping into the right monitor because that happens by accident all of the time.

Example below. A window on the left monitor which accidently crosses to the right monitor and then overlaps on top of the toolbar (above the toolbar, but below the toolbar icons):

Why don't I just maximise my windows? These are two 32" monitors and very few applications need to be full-screen because then they are huge (Visual Studio might be the only program I run full-screen). So, most of my apps run "normal" (not fullscreen, not snapped to any side) and hence could be at any coordinate. When moving "normal" windows around, it's easy for them to accidently partially cross between monitors.

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

My expected behaviour would be for the StartAllBack toolbar to entirely be top-most (i.e. both the dark grey background and the icons to be top-most). Then the toolbar is fully visible, even if a window partially overlaps it.
Most of the time, I have a vertical toolbar with a number of windows partially overlapping it (and hence partially obscuring it) and I find it very hard to determine which window is causing the overlapping. If you imagine that I have 30 or 40 open windows and maybe 2 or 3 are overlapping the toolbar and those are regularly not the visible windows that I'm using right now.

Kees · Dec 14, 2023

I hope for you that @Tihiy will get the point from your screenshots!

Edwin · Dec 14, 2023

I cannot replicate what @smembership has goin on there!

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

Ah. It was the "Dynamic transparency" option. I had been through all of the settings previously, but I must have missed one (or it's a combination).
If I turn off "Dynamic transparency" then it's fixed. If I turn "Dynamic transparency" back on, problem immediately comes back.
What is that option supposed to do? Presumably it isn't supposed to be 100% transparency when enabled?

Edwin · Dec 14, 2023

smembership said:
What is that option supposed to do?

Personally, I think it's just Eye Candy..., I don't use it.
It's dynamic, so it's supposed to shift it's behavior when interacted with...

Kees · Dec 14, 2023

smembership said:
What is that option supposed to do?

I tested it for you, with my taskbar on the bottomline (which I prefer) (my taskbar is normally 100% opaque, gray color):

Normal behaviour (Dynamic transparancy off):

Same when shifting the browser windows over the taskbar:

Dynamic transparency on:

Shifted over the taskbar:

I suppose some user will have asked for this to be possible and Tihiy has fulfilled that wish.

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I think you are all suggesting that Dynamic Transparency is off by default. At some point, I must have turned it on and not realised what it did. I'll leave the setting off. Thanks again.

smembership · Dec 14, 2023

I think that, over the years, I've had the taskbar literally everywhere possible.....
My first graphical OS computers were Apple Mac (back in the Macintosh Classic / Macintosh SE days) and the menu bar was at the top.
When I moved to PCs (a University requirement for Fortran coding at the time) and started using Windows 3.0, I hated the shell so much that I used a Norton shell enhancement that put the taskbar at the top (possibly to mimic the Mac).
The SGI IRIX systems we used had a toolchest on the right-hand-side and for ages that was where I launched apps from.
Then with Windows 95 I got used to it being at the bottom.
But when some Linux distributions started putting the bar on the left, I actually really liked it and I've pretty much stuck with it on the left since.
Most of the VMs I remotely connect to, have the bar at the default location on the bottom and I've come to like that distinction - my computer's bar on the left, remote computers bar at the bottom. No more clicking the start menu of the wrong machine....

Ataemonus · Dec 14, 2023

pietcorus2 said:
New version came out ; 3.7.1.4850
Installed , very fine........

3.7.2 now.

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