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Tihiy · Sep 24, 2024

The option is there in plain sight - uncheck 'Combine taskbar buttons'.

Edwin · Sep 24, 2024

Tihiy said:
The option is there in plain sight - uncheck 'Combine taskbar buttons'.

That's actually quite handy!

I don't want to see Labels but, I do appreciate the ability to choose from a particular Taskbar mounted order...

asteski · Sep 24, 2024

Tihiy said:
The option is there in plain sight - uncheck 'Combine taskbar buttons'.

Ah okay, seems to work now, but I also noticed that when its unchecked, I can now close tasks from taskbar with middle button click, is this intentional or a bug? Regardless please keep that possiblity as an option somehow, it's a very hady feature to have, which was part of 7+TT as well.

Tihiy · Sep 25, 2024

asteski said:
I also noticed that when its unchecked, I can now close tasks from taskbar with middle button click, is this intentional or a bug?

This is intentional as you can have pinned icon at all times for launching new instance. This is not an option.

Wolfzz · Sep 25, 2024

StartAllBack 3.8.10.5171 24 September 2024 (beta)

Another Update

asteski · Sep 25, 2024

Tihiy said:
This is intentional as you can have pinned icon at all times for launching new instance. This is not an option.

Ah I see, it makes sense. Looking forward for more cool features.

Is clock time/date position planned to be configurable or it's a permanent change?

Tihiy · Sep 25, 2024

Options for the sake of options are usually not the answer

Wolfzz · Sep 27, 2024

StartAllBack 3.8.10.5172 26 September 2024 (beta)

Another Update

Wolfzz · Sep 28, 2024

StartAllBack 3.8.10.5173 28 September 2024 (stable)

- Option to totally disable task grouping (a la XP)

- Decoupled widgets position from task centering setting (use system centering setting to control widgets)

- Swapped clock time/date on one line

- Removed Win10 input layout switcher as it makes hotkey unreliable

- Fixed new tab instead of help icon/text in Control Panel process

- Fixed WMP thumbnail

- Fixed segments on secondary taskbars not working in some configurations

- Fixed segments drawing tear/blinking

- Fixed acrylic menu in Macrium viBoot

Kees · Sep 28, 2024

I did update the app, but i don't see any differences from the last version (3.8.9):

Wolfzz said:
- Option to totally disable task grouping (a la XP)

Don't see any option in the settings to enable or disable grouping. Not that I would like to disable grouping, but people who would, would hints how to do this.

Wolfzz said:
- Swapped clock time/date on one line

That I don't see either. Can't get time and date on one line, not even when I make the character size very small. But that option too is not to use by me: want to see the time only. The date Ii can see when hoovering the mouse over the time. So I have the charactersize quite big, but as said for the test I made it smaller.

The other changed functions i can't test. StartAllback as it was, was very much ok for my use!

dacrone · Sep 28, 2024

Wolfzz said:
- Swapped clock time/date on one line

just curious if this can also be made to allow changing the text color of the clock. right now im using tclock but that only works on one screen (for quite some time). if tclock can be made to be compatible with all (3) screens via SAB, that would work too. not a big deal, just figured i'd request, if its possible. thanks.

Edwin · Sep 28, 2024

Kees said:
Don't see any option in the settings to enable or disable grouping.

Kees said:
Can't get time and date on one line

This:

plus this: (you have to make the font larger)

equals this:

tistou77 · Sep 28, 2024

I don't have the option for the 2nd taskbar (maybe it's by detecting a 2nd screen....)

Kees · Sep 28, 2024

@Edwin

The option for 'Disable task grouping' is functioning somewhat different from what I expected.
My situation is: Combine: Never
The taskbar labels are grouped per app, like this:

I expected that to be changed (tasks in order of opening), but I am glad that did not change.
The other options do not bother me very much as I always want to see the labels. Like it is now.

The date option is clear to me now, that changed in order. Date now comes first, then time.
I did not see that, because I only use time, no date with big characters.
Appearantly it changed from:

to

Which of course is better!

So all clear now, thanks for the explanation.

ultimate99 · Sep 29, 2024

Kees said:
@Edwin

The option for 'Disable task grouping' is functioning somewhat different from what I expected.
My situation is: Combine: Never
The taskbar labels are grouped per app, like this:
View attachment 110343
I expected that to be changed (tasks in order of opening), but I am glad that did not change.
The other options do not bother me very much as I always want to see the labels. Like it is now.

The date option is clear to me now, that changed in order. Date now comes first, then time.
I did not see that, because I only use time, no date with big characters.
Appearantly it changed from:
View attachment 110346
to
View attachment 110347
Which of course is better!

So all clear now, thanks for the explanation.

that's a nice looking taskbar, are you using a specific theme + icons?

Kees · Sep 29, 2024

ultimate99 said:
...are you using a specific theme...

No, but I use these settings of StartAllBack:

It all is in Dutch (in SAB there is no quick switch to other languages, so I can't show the English version).
But when you compare to the english version, things should be clear.

ultimate99 said:
...are you using a specific icons...

Yes, I made some myself, for my mailprogram (equals the old Outlook Express icon), for the documents folder (equals the folder icon in XP), took some existing icon for my workspace and made my own start-icon. The start-icon however, as it was taken in the screenshot, was in the activated state. Normally it looks like this:

tistou77 · Sep 30, 2024

Edwin said:
View attachment 110289

Does anyone know which dll.mui is used to "translate" this option ?
It's not present in the language file...

Thanks

Kees · Sep 30, 2024

This is hard-coded in the StartAllBackX64.dll program file.
I did some search via a Hex editor and found these pieces of French language in that file.

French starting from about here

French ending about here:

So there is no seperate language file for StartAllback functions and the words used there have nothing to do with the windows .mui language files!

Because of that you will not be able to change it by yourself. If something is not correct, you should send a message to the dev. via his gmail adress. The mailadress you will find in the licence confirmation you would get. I don't want to publice that adress here, because I don't know if Tihiy would appriciate that!

tistou77 · Sep 30, 2024

Kees said:
This is hard-coded in the StartAllBackX64.dll program file.
I did some search via a Hex editor and found these pieces of French language in that file.

Thank you very much for your answer

But SAB still uses a Windows file
On a Windows everything is ok, on another Windows, it is broken (It would just be SAB, it wouldn't be broken)

Like the translation of the updates popup (systray), it is Windows files that are used
Hence the problem of non-translation on the 24h2 at the beginning, MS had changed the files between 22h2 / 23h2 and 24h2

So we look for which dll (and dll.mui) is used

Kees · Sep 30, 2024

I think you'd better send the dev an email, because it seems to me being unlikely you can solve that by yourself.

I can hardly imagine that the difference is coursed by some windows language file, but I have no inside information on the structure of the SAB program. And I can't imagine anybody except the dev will have that. It's propietary software.

tistou77 said:
(It would just be SAB, it wouldn't be broken)

I would not be not so sure about that. May be the SAB program is handling some parts of its coding different, dependent of the Windows version!

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