Static IP vs VPN

rdwray · Sep 9, 2024

kelper said:
A properly configured VPN will change the apparent IP address of the router, not the computer!!

Can't, the router has to be reconfigured and the only one that has the resources to do that is AT&T.

kelper · Sep 9, 2024

rdwray said:
Can't, the router has to be reconfigured and the only one that has the resources to do that is AT&T.

This is just not true. Please trial NordVPN or PROTON VPN and go to whatismyip.com to see that your public IP address is now different. If you refuse to even try this I can't help you.

rdwray · Sep 9, 2024

kelper said:
This is just not true. Please trial NordVPN or PROTON VPN and go to whatismyip.com to see that your public IP address is now different. If you refuse to even try this I can't help you.

Here is what happened with Hotspot Shield. It changed my internet IP address but not my routers IP, it remained the same. I am satisfied with this; thanks for the help.

S0C9 · Sep 9, 2024

rdwray said:
Here is what happened with Hotspot Shield. It changed my internet IP address but not my routers IP, it remained the same. I am satisfied with this; thanks for the help.

ANY VPN software will work like that.
When installed (like Hotspotshield) your public IP (as seen on the internet) will be the one HSS uses from their server to which you connected.
It does not, nor will it change the AT&T assigned IP on your router. Only AT&T can do that.
THAT router IP will not be used when your browse..

S0C9 · Sep 9, 2024

kelper said:
This is just not true. Please trial NordVPN or PROTON VPN and go to whatismyip.com to see that your public IP address is now different. If you refuse to even try this I can't help you.

To clarify - none of the 3rd Party VPN packages will (or can) change the assigned IP on the ISP's router/modem.
The public IP is assigned by the VPN server and hides the ISP assigned IP.

kelper · Sep 10, 2024

I wonder if rdwray is confusing the router's private IP address with something that can be traced? If his internal IP address is 192.168.1.1 or similar, is this the number that he wants to change? I sent him a PM to try and find out if this is the case.

rdwray · Sep 10, 2024

The IP address I was trying to change is the "what's my IP", not the one used to access the router.

jimbo45 · Sep 10, 2024

Hi folks

@rdwray
@kelper

The biggest snag is that your router has to connect to the internet BEFORE any IP / other "shenanigans" can work. Whether it's old fashioned cable / copper wire or more modern fibre optics there's still a PHYSICAL LINK from your router box to the service supplying your internet -- and unless you live in "Multi-dimensional space" there's no where that you can "bollix that physical link problem".

I.E if your Internet service provider is in say Glasgow - whatever IP address you present to the outside world there's still a PHYSICAL initial connection to the Glasgow Internet provider - hence monitoring what a user does on that service isn't such a humungous problem. Even if you could "Change the router's IP" you still need to connect to an Internet service in the first place - and that's where the problem lies. The problem by Police etc was they were tackling the problem from the WRONG end by looking at "messages of innterest" and doing all sorts of backward traces etc to find out where those messages really originated from which is quite a mega hard process even with vast resources like the FBI.

Of course once you are connected to the internet then that's possible to change / mess around with IP addresses that are seen by "the outside world" -- which is where a dedicated IP might work or be more appropriate than the more usual traditional VPN methods.

Any organisation e.g CIA / Mossad/ FBI / NSA etc can easily check who is using VPN's if they so need by simply getting a court order (or even by other "unofficial covert methods" used by their black ops teams) to check on any individual subscriber to a particular ISP -- so if a user is being "monitored" these agencies will know what ISP they are using and can track from there -- they don't need to worry about where messages etc come from on the internet itself.

The moral is "Don't make yourself a Person Of Interest".

Cheers
jimbo

rdwray · Sep 10, 2024

jimbo45 said:
Hi folks

@rdwray
@kelper

The biggest snag is that your router has to connect to the internet BEFORE any IP / other "shenanigans" can work. Whether it's old fashioned cable / copper wire or more modern fibre optivcs there's still a PHYSICAL LINK from your router box to the service supplying your internet -- and unless you live in "Multi-dimensional space" there's no where that you can "bollix that physical link problem". Of course once you are connected to the internet then that's possible to change / mess around with IP addresses that are seen by "the outside world" -- which is where a dedicate IP might work or be more appropriate than the more usual traditional VPN methods.

Any organisation e.g CIA / Mossad/ FBI / NSA etc can easily check who is using VPN's if they so need by simply getting a court order (or even by other "unofficial covert methods" used by their black ops teams) to check on any individual subscriber to a particular ISP -- so if a user is being "monitored" these agencies will know what ISP they are using and can track from there -- they don't need to worry about where messages etc come from on the internet itself.

The moral is "Don't make yourself a Person Of Interest".

Cheers
jimbo

Social media is the place for VPNs, they love to track people.

jimbo45 · Sep 10, 2024

rdwray said:
Social media is the place for VPNs, they love to track people.

I've added a bit to the post explaining it a bit more.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 · Sep 10, 2024

Hi folks again

Even with "Wireless communications i.e if you subscribe to a satellite type of service - you still have to connect to it - and it doesn't matter where the service thinks the call originated from you still have to connect to a service - so that's the whole key - once you have the person's ISP or phone / satellite call service the rest is plain sailing (apart from the "minor inconvenience" and expense of obtaining court orders and the like !!).

It's 100% impossible to "hide" these days if you use any sort of technology -- that's why ancient low or even non-tech things like "one type pads" much used in WWII in the 1940's are getting much more popular as there's no way with current hardware to decrypt these ever -- even within the probable lifetime of the universe.

Cheers
jimbo

S0C9 · Sep 10, 2024

There seems to be confusion over what the OP is seeking.
When using an ISP-provided router (eg: ATT) , the device is assigned either a FIXED IP or a DHCP IP by the ISP.
That IP address will be part of whatever IP address range the ISP "owns" - something like AT&T's 107.106.*.*.
Meaning they own all IP addresses from 107.106.0.0 -> 107.106.255.255

When the home user connects to that router their PC is assigned an IP (often via DHCP) .
That IP will be in the "private" network ranges of 10.10.*.* or 192.168.*.*.
So for example, the home PC might be assigned 192.168.1.2
When browsing the internet from that home PC, the IP that is exposed to the world is the ROUTER's assigned IP, NOT the one assigned to the home PC.
To "hide" the ISP's IP, VPN software can be installed on the home PC. The IP that is then visible to the world is based on whichever VPN providers server the home PC gets it assigned. The ISP's IP does not go away, it's simply bypassed and hidden by the VPN software.

IF you have your own router that sits behind the ISP's, it may support installing VPN software (such as openvpn), so all internet connections to that router are VPN'd and the ISP's IP is not used.

kelper · Sep 10, 2024

If you use a VPN from Switzerland, DNS over https and Telegram, noboby is going to trace messages. Even your ISP will not know who you are connecting too and cannot see the content. This assumes you don't use the ISP's own DNS servers. There are VPNs that keep no logs and even court orders have not been able to get the info the authorities wanted.
Of course, if you use the internet for shopping you will have to divulge your address and credit card details.

S0C9 · Sep 10, 2024

kelper said:
If you use a VPN from Switzerland, DNS over https and Telegram, noboby is going to trace messages. Even your ISP will not know who you are connecting too and cannot see the content. This assumes you don't use the ISP's own DNS servers. There are VPNs that keep no logs and even court orders have not been able to get the info the authorities wanted.
Of course, if you use the internet for shopping you will have to divulge your address and credit card details.

You can still shop on the internet using VPN from Switzerland - but some vendors refuse to let you connect using ASN assigned IP's.
If so, then connecting to a different VPN server.. usually works.

kelper · Sep 10, 2024

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jimbo45 · Sep 10, 2024

But whatever you use -- you still have to make the initial connection to an ISP service -- so if you say use a Swiss VPN how do you connect from HOME-->ISP-->Switzerland in the first place --or even GET to your VPN without making an initial Internet connection.

This is still where the weakness is. Now if at home you have your own "Backbone structure" and don't need an ISP then OK -- but I can't imagine more than about 0.0001% of domestic users (and probably far smaller than that) being able to access the Internet without connecting to an ISP server in the first place and that ISP must know where the call is coming from.If not can any Network gurus here tell me how to "Spoof" the initial connect from HOME--->ISP-->Internet-->VPN.

DNS servers etc only resolve IP addresses so you can log on to websites etc. Before ANY of this stuff operates you still have to make that initial call from HOME--->ISP.

Cheers
jimbo.

S0C9 · Sep 10, 2024

jimbo45 said:
But whatever you use -- you still have to make the initial connection to an ISP service -- so if you say use a Swiss VPN how do you connect from HOME-->ISP-->Switzerland in the first place --or even GET to your VPN without making an initial Internet connection.

This is still where the weakness is. Now if at home you have your own "Backbone structure" and don't need an ISP then OK -- but I can't imagine more than about 0.0001% of domestic users (and probably far smaller than that) being able to access the Internet without connecting to an ISP server in the first place and that ISP must know where the call is coming from.If not can any Network gurus here tell me how to "Spoof" the initial connect from HOME--->ISP-->Internet-->VPN.

DNS servers etc only resolve IP addresses so you can log on to websites etc. Before ANY of this stuff operates you still have to make that initial call from HOME--->ISP.

Cheers
jimbo.

My local VPN client does NOT show any ISP IP's on a "tracert www.google.com", but it does when I shut it off. The VPN client looks like it does a PPTP connection to THEIR target server, simply using the ISP's backbone for transit.

kelper · Sep 11, 2024

"But whatever you use -- you still have to make the initial connection to an ISP service -- so if you say use a Swiss VPN how do you connect from HOME-->ISP-->Switzerland in the first place --or even GET to your VPN without making an initial Internet connection."

But the ISP merely carries the traffic briefly to the VPN's servers. THE data is encrypted and the ISP can't even 'see' which IP addresses you are visiting. Why do you think this does not give you complete privacy?

jimbo45 · Sep 12, 2024

kelper said:
"But whatever you use -- you still have to make the initial connection to an ISP service -- so if you say use a Swiss VPN how do you connect from HOME-->ISP-->Switzerland in the first place --or even GET to your VPN without making an initial Internet connection."

But the ISP merely carries the traffic briefly to the VPN's servers. THE data is encrypted and the ISP can't even 'see' which IP addresses you are visiting. Why do you think this does not give you complete privacy?

Security agencies etc can decrypt stuff using sophisticated hard/soft /"human" ware so the initial request can eventually be done. These methods aren't available to 99.99% of the rest so unless you are a "person of Interest" it should be OK.

@S0C9 google etc on tracert isn't of "Military strength" type sophistication.

cheers
jimbo

S0C9 · Sep 13, 2024

jimbo45 said:
@S0C9 google etc on tracert isn't of "Military strength" type sophistication.

cheers
jimbo

Oh, I totally agree.. I was merely pointing out that VPN software on a PC will us PPTP to hit their server(s), bypassing the ISP's backbone, tho one does STILL need the ISP's connection to make that call.
Did not intend to imply it was military strength. Thanks!

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