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@Berton Hahah yep. A couple of years ago (I'm going to say late 2022-ish?), they said they were getting rid of the Office brand, and everything would be called 365-something. Then about a year later, they were like, "j/k lol... we're going to make an Office 2024," which was just released.
 

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And it's not just the desktop. There are back-end integrations, and this thing talks to that thing, which spits out .docx or .xlsx files, etc. etc. That stuff takes forever to migrate to something else. It's not simply a case of putting Linux on the desktop and loading LiberatedOffice or whatever.
...when majority of the companies I've worked for use none of that excel stuff for any work and backend is purely on Linux servers. Workstations are Windows, Linux and Macs, both laptops and desktops... :think:
 

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just to add something Microsoft Office 365 is web based Microsoft Edge is now available on Linux.
therefore MS office 365 on the web is now available for Linux if those that wish to use Office want to.

Best of luck. Steve ..
Yeah! Exactly! Even MS themselves run a lot of Linux instances in the backend/server side for their services.
 

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...when majority of the companies I've worked for use none of that excel stuff for any work and backend is purely on Linux servers. Workstations are Windows, Linux and Macs, both laptops and desktops... :think:
Sounds like we've established that there are, in fact, multiple choices for operating systems, applications, and ways to tackle any given problem. And folks do what makes sense in their environment, home or enterprise or in-between. Amazing.
 

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Sounds like we've established that there are, in fact, multiple choices for operating systems, applications, and ways to tackle any given problem. And folks do what makes sense in their environment, home or enterprise or in-between. Amazing.
Yeah! And thus we arrive back to the original argument where it was stated that you can't replace Windows with Linux.

You can, and very successfully too. Same goes the other way around. It's just a matter of wether you want it bad enough or not.

Most companies don't need Microsoft for anything when it comes to computing. But many are also very reliant on MS and their services. For most it's mainly a convenience thing because we get pushed Windows preinstalled computers from all directions.
 

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Yeah! Exactly! Even MS themselves run a lot of Linux instances in the backend/server side for their services.
MS runs a lot of Azure cloud instances that host Linux for their customers. Azure doesn't run on Linux, but you can run Linux in Azure just like you do in AWS.

There's a sizeable number of MS employees who work on Linux projects, simply because it attracts paying customers to their cloud offerings. As long as it's a revenue stream, MS will support Linux in the hosting cloud.
 

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Why people switch to Linux? There are no software like in Windows and Linux not good for gaming.

That's like asking: Why do people use Smartphones - since Android (which is Linux-based) and iOS can't run Windows Software/Games. :facepalm:

Let's see...

1) It's Free. No strings attached: no adware/advertising, no spyware/telemetry, no forced features.

2) Linux is just the kernel and there's over 100 Linux Distributions - each with their own flavor and priorities/focus, so there's plenty of options to chose from - depending on wants/needs: be it gaming, office, security, general use or Android based Smartphones.

3) Most Linux distributions are Lite or Very Lite on resources - running smooth even on entry level machines.

4) Compared to Windows - which keeps dropping support for hardware every couple of years - there's still plenty of Linux distribution which can run even on 18+ year old hardware - while Microsoft, starting with Windows 11 dropped support even for 8 years old hardware - like the 7th generation from Intel - despite being quite capable of running Windows 11.

5) If a Linux Distribution wants to leap in an entirely different direction with a future release - yet the users are quite fond of the past/present Linux distribution - it's quite likely for another Linux distribution to emerge - so the already formed fan-base can still use Linux the way they're used to - while still having support/access to latest updates (so it's still getting upgraded and having access to latest security updates - while the GUI or Windows Manager used - is still the same old same old).

6) There's Linux distributions - with the option to build your own Linux - while adding/installing only the stuff you need/use. Not like Windows - where a clean install already has over 100+ processes running - while more than half of those you may never use/meed.

7) It's more secure simply by being less popular - tho, having an Open Source side to it - everyone can check the code - so the security risks are far lower and there's also a higher level of transparency (what you see - is what you get). Same can't be said about Microsoft and Windows which is Closed Source (obviously) - so nobody besides Microsoft devs and hackers - can know what was truly changed/added/removed. Not to mention, even beyond cyber criminals who have their own reasons for spying on you - Microsoft has their own as well. Yet, same can't be said about most Linux distributions.

And so on and so forth...
 
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As for Office, mine from Dec. is named Microsoft 365 (Office), formerly called Office 365. Microsoft has always had a penchant for reusing program names with some small changes, at least for the 3 decades I've been using some.

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Microsoft 365 (Office) is web based and should work on any operating system. Also it is free. When go to the website below you do have to log in with your Microsoft account.

Microsoft 365 (Office)

It even works on my Raspberry Pi which runs the Raspbery Pi OS. Note I am running my Raspberry Pi 5 remotely using RealVNC on my Windows 11 laptop.

Microsoft Offce 365 on Raspberry Pi.jpg
 

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If nothing else, this thread is a reminder to me to stay out of Linux threads. Any of these arguments of "just do this" or "just replace this with that" are just not based in reality for companies of decent size or long-established IT operations. Greenfields or tiny companies, sure.
 

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Why people switch to Linux? There are no software like in Windows and Linux not good for gaming.
Lots of reasons. Being free (as in cost) and ability to change to suit your exact needs are probably #1 reason people give it a shot. Another reason is that many distros are custom designed to run well on very low end hardware with little RAM and storage, so old machines can be repurposed. Also, most of the backend of the Internet runs on Linux. Things like DNS, DHCP, Apache/Nginx/Tomcat web server, MySQL/mariaDB, hypervisors (VMWareESX Citrix Xen), cell phones (android), MacOS (while not pure Linux, is Unix based in nature), IoT devices, routers, etc. So, it's quite handy to have a background in using, maintaining and supporting Linux if you are going to make a living at any of these things. Typically you can install a minimal version of the OS which just the packages you need to support a task, which means fewer updates and attack surfaces. Unix and Linux built from the ground up as a multi-user OS with high levels of security, so it tends to be historically safer and less prone to problems with things like viruses/malware/spyware, etc.

A ton of solid software exists, that are great alternatives to some Windows only software. For example, I could host a website in Microsoft IIS. But the cost of a windows server license is expensive. So, if I wanted to run a web server, I would much rather do it with a linux distro and Apache web server. Lots of office suites, music apps (like audacity), graphics apps (the Gimp), Databases like MySQL, and lots of software is available on Linux (like VNC, Firefox, Chrome, Visual Studio Code, steam, uTorrent, Dropbox, discord, BitTorrent,).

Gaming support is coming along. Still a ways to go for mainstream top tier titles, but things like Steam games are starting to come out that are working well.

Linux on the desktop, is way too much for computer beginners and even novices. Plus it usually doesn't come on a device they buy by default and thus they aren't going to be making the switch to it. While i'm a Linux admin for a living, I still use windows on my home desktop computers.

Linux in the server room...totally different story. Used to be a ton of Microsoft where i worked and a small bit of Linux. Now, overwhelming amount of stuff runs on Linux instead now. And as we move away from physical servers, and virtual servers to containers, Linux as the OS is simply what everybody is doing. It's the de-facto standard and will be for many years to come.

The biggest issue for many is a huge learning curve and having to be comfortable at a command line. I've supported Linux professionally since around 1999. Less than 2% of the boxes I have ever run with Linux even have a GUI on them. I love being able to handle complete setups via some scripts and text files, and this makes documentation so much easier on Linux in my opinion. Way better than..... open this, click here, hit this drop down, change this option, hit next, next, next, save, etc.

Very well said.

I'm just curious...how many companies really rely on Adobe or MS Office suits for every day tasks?

In my experience, we use those tools only because they can be used and are just part of the Microsoft deals that comes with everything from hardware to software including servers and workstations. All actual work happens in other apps which are non-Windows dependent though... :think:
Office suit apps daily. Word, Excel, Outlook and Microsoft Teams at my employer.
 

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If nothing else, this thread is a reminder to me to stay out of Linux threads. Any of these arguments of "just do this" or "just replace this with that" are just not based in reality for companies of decent size or long-established IT operations. Greenfields or tiny companies, sure.
Yeah, I generally stay out of which is better: Linux, Mac, Windows threads but for a different reason. I generally find the contributions to be on a par with religion and politics......... The way I see it is all have their strengths and weaknesses and it is up to the individual(s) to choose which works best for them. Me? I use all three. I'm posting on my Mac Mini while playing games on my Windows 11 machine and converting all my movie DVDs to mp3 via Handbreak on my Mint machine.
 

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MS runs a lot of Azure cloud instances that host Linux for their customers. Azure doesn't run on Linux, but you can run Linux in Azure just like you do in AWS.

There's a sizeable number of MS employees who work on Linux projects, simply because it attracts paying customers to their cloud offerings. As long as it's a revenue stream, MS will support Linux in the hosting cloud.
Uummmm, Azure is Linux previously known as CBL-Mariner. CBL stands for Common Base Linux.
 

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i believe that there maybe a few misconceptions as regard to desktop users, servers are a different kettle of fish.
most desktop users press the power on button the desktop comes up and they use whats there.
they use, mostly, the installed software to carry out 'their' day to day tasks. if they need other software they normally seek advice about what is best and then go and install that. on the most part that deals with most users needs.

that is Windows biggest problem it works for most people much of the time.

now we get to the members who are on this forum .. we are not normal desktop users ..
on the most part most here have altered/changed/adapted the system, in this case Windows, to suit 'their' needs.
on the most part others here help/aid/assist in that endeavour with relish and enjoy the challenge of doing something different.

so when everybody talks about desktop users they are most certainly not talking about us.
please note that is not a go or disrespect to any one here .. it just happens to be the way it is, for us.

this is most likely of no help to no one, best of luck with what ever operating system you are using. Steve ..
 

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Uummmm, Azure is Linux previously known as CBL-Mariner. CBL stands for Common Base Linux.
CBL-Mariner is the Linux distro that MS provides if you want to run their Linux. Azure isn't directly built on Linux components, except for some internal network management layers.
 
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CBL-Mariner is the Linux distro that MS provides if you want to run their Linux. Azure isn't directly built on Linux components, except for some internal network management layers.
I'll have to take your word for it.
 

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That document is riddled with errors -- it states also 2023 with a lot of junk in there from 2016 etc.
IMO (and IME) the main point of the blog article is still very much accurate even today, but you must have missed that somehow.
Many distros don't use X11 now -- the only thing you need X11 for is for wretched Windows RDP to connect to a full GUI Linux desktop. Linux has had > 255 file / directory names for as long as I can remember
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To me, personally, none of this matters anyway. There exist programs like portable TeamViewer to get around the problem of "wretched Windows RDP" so it is OK, and, the NTFS filesystem is also OK, as I use various programs and tools that can support UNICODE and over MAX_PATH (260 characters) file pathnames. I have been using various programs and tools for the past 39 years. (I am close to 51 years old.) As a matter of fact, I have been writing my own programs and tools, for the past 39 years also.
-- it's Windows that still has that wretched problem -- the facility might be in Windows but things like file explorer and other directory displaying apps still use the old API.
Essentially, that's really nothing more than a classical-old PEBKAC. It is analogous to when people complain about Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) because they don't know how to properly use DISKPART / PowerShell / portable MiniTool Partition Wizard / etc. for the kind of stuff that belongs in the category of those specific admin tasks that cannot be done with Disk Management, i.e., the category of "know your tools".

That being said, I don't actually even use a File Explorer replacement like Directory Opus. Because, I simply don't need to. As another (also classical) example of what this is factually about, if seaching for folders and files is taking forever with File Explorer, then use Everything (from voidtools).
I've no trouble with 4K UHD monitors -- X3 without issue.
My Asus laptop has a HDMI 2.1 port with FRL so, it supports 8K. But I am pretty sure that I don't need to move to Linux to get a Samsung Odyssey Neo G95NC to work without issue on it. And besides, using triple 16:9 screens for what I like to do would only give me neck strain, shoulder pains, headaches and nausea due to constant looking that far to the left/right of what I currently am using. That plus the fact that the left and right screen would block the sound of my big floorstanding stereo pair of passive loudspeakers, which is important to me even though I also own a stereo pair of powered studio monitors that are suitable to be positioned below a multi-screen setup.
Pipewire is alive and well so is any sort of high quality audio. And what's wrong if you have to configure some things -- typical "canned audio effects" straight out of the box might work for some but I prefer my own sound. Besides Windows to run decently needs a certain amount of configuration.
Linux doesn't even have a driver for the USB DAC that I own. Setting up foobar2000 with WASAPI exclusive mode and setting up MPC-HC with WASAPI exclusive mode / audio bitstreaming over HDMI is just another piece of cake so, this is yet another one of those classical-old PEBKACs that I was talking about earlier.
And who needs Sandboxie -- a bit of a hideous app if ever their was one -- Full Virtualisation with KVM/QEMU now is far more flexible (e.g pass thru hardware ease and dynamic redirection of both PCI and USB devices) make it a lot more useful than HYPER-V and in kernels 6.10.xx, 6.11 and the upcoming 7.0 it's super efficient.
The people who need Sandboxie-Plus are people who use it for the kind of stuff that cannot easily be done with virtualization.

Personally, I, use it mainly for concurrently (i.e., simultaneously) running multiple different instances of portable Firefox in parallel while at the same time also using FastCopy in conjunction with Primo Ramdisk with both DMM and compact mode set to enabled in it, i.e. to mitigate those specific delay times that would otherwise hold me back. DMM with compact mode prevents the ramdisk from using up a lot more RAM space than really should be needed to actually store the files you want on the ramdisk. The performance penalty that results from enabling these two settings in Primo Ramdisk is very small when compared to what can be gained from being able to programmatically select what data will be copied [with FastCopy] from SSD to the ramdisk and from the ramdisk to SSD (and when), and to programmatically select what data will be deleted from where (and when).

So, by choosing to run each different instance of portable Firefox in a different sandbox [that can either be located on SSD or be located on the ramdisk], Sandboxie-Plus lets me easily achieve a whole variety of things that cannot easily be achieved on Linux. BTW, Linux is by definition not super efficient, as it is seriously lacking in terms of supporting advanced powersaving capabilities found in modern PC hardware.
There's so much junk in that paper -- and as a linux user of over 25 years I haven't experienced anything like most of the rubbish in that paper. If you want where Windows falls down hideously is in networking - just read the Networking section on the Forum - many have problems getting consistent results even on the same hardware.
The only reason why you haven't experienced any of the flaws and shortcomings in Linux is because you haven't used Linux for anything that would have spontaneously revealed these same flaws and shortcomings of course. HomeGroup was removed from Windows 10 (version 1803). I don't have any networking problems in Windows 11. Maybe it's because I use the much underrated Asus RT-AX92U (2 Pack) that appeared in the Star Wars movie so, for all I know, the people on the forum having problems are having them because they can't use The Force. They just don't have enough midichlorians!
Until Windows 10 Windows security (even if you could call it that) was an absolute joke too.
A secure OS is not useful when you can't use it to do what you need. Linux software very often tends to be lacking in that regard, just not if you are lucky or you need to do little more than what could be considered to be among common, everyday normal tasks. Just because programs like GIMP and Krita can run on Linux, doesn't also mean that they can always be used as a replacement for Photoshop. They can be used for that, but they cannot always. I could give you a very long list of examples why compatibility on Linux blatantly sucks when compared to Windows, and that aren't necessarily related to hardware. There's just too many dead ends when searching for Linux software that lets me do what I need to do, how I want to do it. Windows Update frequently breaks stuff, but usually there is a workaround or fix that is still relatively easy to find and apply. Whereas, on Linux, the type of stuff that tends to also break easily after an update has an impact that is often much more severe, and looking for a workaround or fix often turns out to be a fruitless effort, also in addition to this. Much to the point of being forced back onto Windows after valuable time repeatedly gone to waste with Linux.

I don't use Windows for anything besides my own personal hobby activities, though. For privacy and security reasons, and due to company policy, I am not allowed to publicly disclose details about what I use for work, just that none of it ever comes in contact with Windows (directly or indirectly), and that all of it is completely isolated from all my hobby related stuff.
By all means criticise an OS but that paper !!!!!!!
It's not a paper, just a blog article that I came across. But again, it is still very much accurate even today. It gets the point across that choosing to use Linux as a so-called "desktop OS" is still just a terrible idea for the vast majory of people using a PC in 2024, and especially on a modern PC. On a modern laptop, it's actually even worse. But if you do things that are similar to what I do on Windows, then moving to Linux is downright impossible with almost zero exceptions.
 
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choosing to use Linux as a so-called "desktop OS" is still just a terrible idea for the vast majory of people using a PC in 2024, and especially on a modern PC. On a modern laptop, it's actually even worse.
Linux as a desktop OS is fine on modern hardware and laptops. Haven't had any problems.
 

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Linux as a desktop OS is fine on modern hardware and laptops. Haven't had any problems.
I've had absolutely ZERO problems using Linux as a full featured desktop / laptop OS. I even use it for connecting to workplace Windows Virtual desktop infrastructure - you get your User Windows workspace from their server system - although they use that horrid CITRIX thing -- there's better software for that - but I'm not running their I.T dept, plus I can connect directly to their SAP HANA systems directly.

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I think your post rather misses the point -- reading what you do / what you've installed etc is far beyond what "The average" user or even a reasonably computer savvty one would do on their computers.

The argument is basically that Linux is a perfectly capable desktop OS these days - which it is for typical user activities. Most people don't need full photoshop (that's why Photoshop elements came out) -- GIMP is probably more than sufficient - although you still can't beat full photoshop.

I don't do games - so that side of the coin doesn't bother me but plenty of games apparently do run perfectly OK on Linux. There's no problem also in running a full UHD 8K monitor on Linux if your hardware is capable of running it -- software isn't an issue. This is almost 2025 now - Video drivers aren't an issue in Linux for even a lot of hardware "hot of the presses".


I use Windows myself usually in a VM when I need some windows apps such as SKY GO, Adobe photoshop/lightroom combos, and Ms Office. Rarely do I use a Windows physical machine. Even a lot of Stock trading apps can be done directly from a browser making them "OS Agnostic". And I don't get the multitude of Network problems that Windows still seems to be incapable of solving at times.

Cheers


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Yeah! And thus we arrive back to the original argument where it was stated that you can't replace Windows with Linux.

You can, and very successfully too. Same goes the other way around. It's just a matter of wether you want it bad enough or not.
Typical Linux rhetoric.

Undeniable fact - Linux does not run many Windows programs and that is a deal breaker for vast majority of users.
 

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    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
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    16 GB soldered
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