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50ShadesOfDirt · Aug 21, 2024

It is interesting to see others learn more about an OS (and a "build" of that OS) by tweaking, modifying, or otherwise changing it from a stock installation, and/or using a pre-built "tiny" version. You can't discount the knowledge available from this, and I appreciate the links & such to these other methods ...

If they get off in the weeds, it's not much time to reinstall and try again with a different method.

OP didn't mention, nor did some of the others trying these OS variations, but perhaps they are testing them in VM's, or on machines suitable for testing ...

With virtualization, it takes about two seconds to load one of these in a VM, and see what works and what doesn't ... there could always be something useful to the person willing to do OS testing, not to mention the additional knowledge gained.

Good work, OP and Spapakons, and thanks Kelper and others for more links to these things ...

spapakons · Aug 21, 2024

I don't know specifically for Tiny11, but I have used the official Microsoft "light" versions of Windows XP (Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs) and Windows 7 (Windows Thin PC). I didn't notice much difference in performance and I didn't like the lack of features. That's why I said it is better to use the regular version and make it faster. All the features are there and can be enabled any time you need one, plus you have the maximum compatibility with hardware and applications including games. You can use Winaero Tweaker or O&O Windows Shutup to easily disable features and make it faster.

kelper · Aug 21, 2024

I was replying to @spapakons

X-Lite is much faster than Windows 11 with 'bits' removed.

Taliseian · Aug 21, 2024

The big problem that I have with any modified versions of Windows, is that you don't know the person(s) doing the removal so you don't know if everything gets removed correctly.

I'm sorry, but I can't just trust some website that says, "Hey, we debloated Windows" and then run it on my main machine that I write and stream on.

If you're that brave, more power to you, but I'd rather tweak/tune on my own (and yes, make mistakes and learn from them) than to trust a complete stranger who says they're doing something and then you don't know what kind of security issues they left behind.

I would tread with caution here......but YMMV.

pseymour · Aug 21, 2024

Taliseian said:
The big problem that I have with any modified versions of Windows, is that you don't know the person(s) doing the removal so you don't know if everything gets removed correctly.

That's reasonable, but in the case of Tiny11, it's an open-source project. You can download the builder, see what it's doing, and drop anything you don't like.

spapakons · Aug 21, 2024

Taliseian said:
The big problem that I have with any modified versions of Windows, is that you don't know the person(s) doing the removal so you don't know if everything gets removed correctly.

I'm sorry, but I can't just trust some website that says, "Hey, we debloated Windows" and then run it on my main machine that I write and stream on.

If you're that brave, more power to you, but I'd rather tweak/tune on my own (and yes, make mistakes and learn from them) than to trust a complete stranger who says they're doing something and then you don't know what kind of security issues they left behind.

I would tread with caution here......but YMMV.

Apart from I don't trust the other removing features I may need, I hate compromising on compatibility. Surely you can install drivers for all your hardware like in the standard version. But what about compatibility with applications and games? Do all your applications and games work properly in the crippled version? For example I remember Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (aka Windows XP light) lacking DirectX and it was a pain to install it in order to have as much as a decent screensaver and play some casual games. As I already said the gain in performance was negligible compared to the full version made faster. What features are removed or disabled? I hate to find out. I would rather install the full version and remove/disable features myself, so I have complete control over what is missing and know how to get it back if I need to.

pseymour · Aug 21, 2024

spapakons said:
For example I remember Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (aka Windows XP light) lacking DirectX and it was a pain to install it in order to have as much as a decent screensaver and play some casual games.

Well, you try to use an OS which Microsoft never intended to be general purpose as a general purpose OS, and that's what you get. Windows Fundamentals was based on XP Embedded and only (legally) available to SA customers. It was intended for remoting into a server-based hosted desktop kind of environment, e.g. via RDP or what was then known as Citrix ICA.

spapakons · Aug 21, 2024

I think it was meant for companies having old Windows 98 era computers so they can use Windows XP without upgrading their hardware because it was "light". BS, the difference in performance from running standard Windows XP Professional was negligible, so why miss features? Install the full OS. Probably the license was cheaper, that would make sense, but I don't think it's worth it.

pseymour · Aug 21, 2024

spapakons said:
I think it was meant for companies having old Windows 98 era computers so they can use Windows XP without upgrading their hardware because it was "light".

No, it was a thin client OS. I was managing Citrix farms at the time; I remember these flavors of Windows.

Microsoft Volume Licensing - Microsoft Software Assurance Benefits - Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs

Learn about Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, an operating system for Microsoft Software Assurance customers with older computers running earlier operating systems. Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs can help your organization extend the life of older, less secure, and less productive hardware.

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antspants · Aug 21, 2024

pseymour said:
I was managing Citrix farms at the time

Nice job, respect

mecanicogolf · Aug 21, 2024

antspants said:
I wouldn't touch it with an Apple Mac.

A ten foot pole. :lmao:

antspants · Aug 21, 2024

mecanicogolf said:
A ten foot pole.

I’d say a Mac was a twenty foot.

mecanicogolf · Aug 21, 2024

antspants said:
I’d say a Mac was a twenty foot.

OK Mac!

mecanicogolf · Aug 21, 2024

kelper said:
I'm using X-Lite and it does Windows updates fine. I can't enter text in the Windows search box, but that's the only downside so far. I can right-click and paste there if I need it.

Why not?

mecanicogolf · Aug 21, 2024

kelper said:
Do try and X-Lite version of Windows. You may be surprised.

Downloading now.

spapakons · Aug 22, 2024

I would thoroughly test any limited version in a spare disk before using it. Make sure all my hardware and all my applications work fine. Make sure I can do my usual stuff without limitations or compatibility issues.

kelper · Aug 22, 2024

mecanicogolf said:
Why not?

I could not type in the box, nothing happened.

spapakons · Aug 22, 2024

kelper said:
I could not type in the box, nothing happened.

Probably a bug, it should fix with some Windows update/hotfix.

kelper · Aug 22, 2024

Seemed to be intermittent. But X-Lite 4.2 seems OK.

TM21 · Aug 22, 2024

James, the creator of X-Lite isn't some kid, living in his parents basement. He's a highly competent programmer, husband and father, who has created a GREAT web site and many GREAT versions of what we call Windows. I actually wish he could call it Winders or something else.
Even the nay-sayers, or MS Fan Boys, should take a look at the site, just for the enjoyment of reading through a GREAT site, even if they Never download anything. It's one of the most well done sites I've ever read.

I've been working on PC's since my first build in ~1983, and I've always worked hard to get the very MOST out of every PC that I've owned or even worked on. I've tweaked and tuned, till my eyes and fingers hurt, but I've never been able to achieve what James, at X-Lite has achieved.
Finally, after many years, there is an OS that is truly FAST!

I don't play high end games, or do Video editing, or even just run many programs at the same time. So, I just want an OS, by any name, that will run my email program, work the internet, and play Solitaire. :wink:

And, Windows 11/Pro, Optimum 24H2, V4.2 does all that, and does it FAST, with no problems.
It's not "Tiny", it's not "Micro", it's "OPTIMUM". (the very best) And I did buy James a cup of coffee. :wink:

That's the least I could do. I'd love to take him out to lunch, but he's in Canada, and I'm in Florida. So a cup of coffee will have to suffice.

Cheers Mates!
TM

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