VIVETOOL, and how to use it...

HG23Phenom · May 7, 2024

Is there seriously still no other workaround tweak to get this "no tabs" to work? been holding out on all OS (Win11 Pro) security and build updates after rolling back this KB5034765 install. I know the security implications and at this point thought someone smarter than be would figure it out by now, but I don't think I can wait any longer, given all the recent breaches happening.

This is absolutely driving me bonkers and can't take it anymore ;(

dacrone · May 7, 2024

Only options now are to use 3rd party tools. One that can give you no-tab explorer (but also invokes the win 10 ribbon) is:

Windhawk

LesFerch · May 7, 2024

There is no option available to get the Windows 11 Explorer without tabs, other than rolling Windows 11 a long way back. No ViveTool option. No 3rd party mod option. I doubt that will change, as it seems the no-tab Windows 11 Explorer code is no longer in the OS.

The WindHawk mod mentioned will give you the Windows 11 Explorer with the address/search bar below the toolbar, but you will still have tabs.

WindHawk, ExplorerPatcher and StartAllBack all let you switch to the Windows 10 Explorer (which of course has no tabs), but unless you want the other features of those tools, you can do the same with this reg hit:

Restore Classic File Explorer with Ribbon in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to restore the classic File Explorer with Ribbon for your account or all users in Windows 11. File Explorer in Windows 10 has a ribbon, tabs, and a title bar with color. The ribbon includes common tasks, such as copying and moving, creating new folders, emailing...

www.elevenforum.com

Which is the same reg hit applied by this tool:

SwitchExplorer

Switch Explorer between the Windows 11 version and the Windows 10 version

lesferch.github.io

dacrone · May 7, 2024

Check windhawk again. You are incorrect. It has win11 FE post moment 4, win 11 fe pre moment 4 and win 10 without tabs < it is labeled “classic ribbon ui (no tabs)”. Just tested it again myself. It’s the win 10 style, no tabs.

Maybe you’re thinking of startallback win10 fe? Because that mod still keeps tabs and gives you the win10 ribbon…

LesFerch · May 7, 2024

dacrone said:
Check windhawk again. You are incorrect. It has win11 FE post moment 4, win 11 fe pre moment 4 and win 10 without tabs < it is labeled “classic ribbon ui (no tabs)”. Just tested it again myself. It’s the win 10 style, no tabs.

Maybe you’re thinking of startallback win10 fe? Because that mod still keeps tabs and gives you the win10 ribbon…

Any option, in any patch program, that gives you the "classic ribbon UI" is using the Windows 10 Explorer that is still included with Windows 11 and can be launched at any time by simply opening the Control Panel and clicking the up arrow icon once or twice.

There is no option that run the Windows 11 Explorer with the "classic ribbon UI". StartAllBack does a bit of smoke and mirrors by providing an option that replaces Windows 10 Explorer ribbon icons with ones that look like the Windows 11 Explorer, but it's still the same Windows 10 Explorer otherwise.

The WindHawk option that provides the "classic ribbon UI" uses the same reg hit I referenced. I know that for a fact because when the original method to change the Explorer default to the Windows 10 version stopped working, I pointed the WindHawk developer to that reg hit (which was first provided by YouTube user CRUCC).

dacrone · May 7, 2024

i never said it was win11 fe without tabs... but you incorrectly stated that no mod will give you a no-tabs version of fe. it does. whether op wants to go that route or do the mod manually, it IS possible to implement fe without tabs.

*not picking an argument. just answering op's question.

LesFerch · May 7, 2024

dacrone said:
i never said it was win11 fe without tabs... but you incorrectly stated that no mod will give you a no-tabs version of fe. it does. whether op wants to go that route or do the mod manually, it IS possible to implement fe without tabs.

I said you can't get the Windows 11 Explorer without tabs. On Windows 11, currently the only way to not get tabs is to run the Windows 10 Explorer. So maybe we are saying the same thing a different way?

And you also can't get the classic ribbon UI with tabs (unless you install something like Qttabbar). StartAllBack does not do that. Here are some screenshots.

dacrone · May 7, 2024

im sure we are. like i said, no malintent meant.

buuuuuut.....SAB does give you the 10 ribbon with tabs.. look in the top right of your window > the +

Ghot · May 7, 2024

@LesFerch and @dacrone

If you guys want to argue about File Explorer tabs... make a topic.
This topic is NOT the place for it. This topic is about Vivetool.

I've already updated the OP (back when it was discovered), to point out that Vivetool can no longer disable FE tabs after a certain build.

Separate threads for separate topics, help, in that the interested party doesn't have to read 67 pages of discussion about "other" apps or programs.

Thanks in advance.

LesFerch · May 7, 2024

dacrone said:
im sure we are. like i said, no malintent meant.

buuuuuut.....SAB does give you the 10 ribbon with tabs.. look in the top right of your window > the +

View attachment 95586

Ahh, that clever Tihiy. It looks like he implemented his own tab add-on for the Win 10 FE. I was looking for Win11 style tabs.

No malintent meant here either. My main point was really that a fancy mod program isn't needed to get the no-tabs FE (aka Windows 10 Explorer) but the mods do provide other features (as you clearly pointed out).

HG23Phenom · May 8, 2024

All feedback and guidance here very much appreciated. Thank you for the direction and will check these out and settle on one

Mike1776 · May 30, 2024

nice vive tool post.

Ghot · Nov 14, 2024

Updated the first post to include the fix for the File Explorer 3-dot menu bug in 24H2.

Credit to @drminer for finding this one.

Ghot · Nov 14, 2024

You know what we really need?
A different kind of GUI for Vivetool.

One that has check boxes or the like for all the vivetool ID numbers we know, with brief descriptions.
Then people could just run the program and check-mark the features they want, to toggle them ON or OFF.

And updating this mysterious App would add new found ID numbers or remove those that no longer work.

I know there already is a Vivetool GUI (see 1st post), but you have to be fluent in Micro-speak,
to be able to use it at all.
And it's really for "finding" new ID numbers, and not for just applying the known ones.
We need one for grandmas, etc., and it needs to be in... English and other normal languages.

OAT · Nov 14, 2024

Ghot said:
You know what we really need?
A different kind of GUI for Vivetool.

Vivetool is derived from MS StagingTool and was never supposed to be released to the public. But it 'accidently' got leaked...
Out of it, Albacore ,@thebookisclosed, created the command line tool vivetool.
Others created crude GUIs, that may not seem userfriendly.
The whole scheme is not to be a user application, it is a turn on/off feature strictly for MS Devs.
With that in mind, the ID numbers change constantly, may differ from one channel to the next and their variable names also are inconsistent.

Ghot · Nov 14, 2024

OAT said:
Vivetool is derived from MS StagingTool and was never supposed to be released to the public. But it 'accidently' got leaked...
As far as your suggestion is concerned, I wholeheartedly agree, the problem is that the ID numbers change constantly, may differ from one channel to the next and their variable names also are inconsistent.

Yep.
But whoever comes up with one like I describe, will be a Windows 11 HERO.
There will probably be songs about him or her.

Josey Wales · Nov 14, 2024

OAT said:
Vivetool is derived from MS StagingTool and was never supposed to be released to the public. But it 'accidently' got leaked...
Out of it, Albacore ,@thebookisclosed, created the command line tool vivetool.
Others created crude GUIs, that may not seem userfriendly.
The whole scheme is not to be a user application, it is a turn on/off feature strictly for MS Devs.
With that in mind, the ID numbers change constantly, may differ from one channel to the next and their variable names also are inconsistent.

So if this is true then MS knows about this bug and just does not care. I am surprised that this forum does not have 50 million members. Where else is one to get all of this information on Windows 11??

OAT · Nov 14, 2024

Ghot said:
Yep.
But whoever comes up with one like I describe, will be a Windows 11 HERO.

Mark Russinovich is now too busy with Azure.
Sergey Tkachenko can't receive any $$$$ because of sanctions.
Nir Sofer is our only hope.

Ghot · Nov 14, 2024

Josey Wales said:
So if this is true then MS knows about this bug and just does not care. I am surprised that this forum does not have 50 million members. Where else is one to get all of this information on Windows 11??

MS employees aren't worried about minor bugs like this. They have more important things on their minds.
Things like gummy bears, recess and the occasional quite-time.

dacrone · Nov 14, 2024

Ghot said:
You know what we really need?
A different kind of GUI for Vivetool.

One that has check boxes or the like for all the vivetool ID numbers we know, with brief descriptions.
Then people could just run the program and check-mark the features they want, to toggle them ON or OFF.

And updating this mysterious App would add new found ID numbers or remove those that no longer work.

I know there already is a Vivetool GUI (see 1st post), but you have to be fluent in Micro-speak,
to be able to use it at all.
And it's really for "finding" new ID numbers, and not for just applying the known ones.
We need one for grandmas, etc., and it needs to be in... English and other normal languages.

i dont use this tool anymore, but when i used to, i created a .bat that held the lines for all codes i wanted to execute with the description commented out above each line. that way if i wanted to turn one on/off individually, i could just find that line inside the .bat quickly. Not what you asked for, but a decent alternative

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