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jimbo45 · Jun 19, 2021

barman58 said:
To be honest I whilst I know there is a lot of "Bloat" in windows 10 (and was in the previous versions), It does not bother me - I use the Start menu (Popup), populated with those applications I use. and leave the rest "Out of Sight- Out of Mind"

There are ways of removing unused "Apps" - if they are set to autorun, and they turn out to be Memory Hogs, but if an App has no visible detriment to the way the system runs, I just ignore it

If you want to tidy up the all apps list there is a right click option to "remove from this List" which mostly also works for those items that do not have an Uninstall option. If you "have to" uninstall an app there are ways of achieving this, but windows may act unpredictably afterwards.

Gamers do have actual problems getting the most performance on their gaming systems, a lot of this is down to Bad or non standard programming, that causes the games to require more that a correctly coded app. For these situations you can remove a lot of using third party tools but you will have to expect to have unpredictable results afterwards

Hi there
I've installed the W11 for Workstations edition too -- less bloat than W10 Pro - activated digitally from my W10 version.

To get a choice - provided you got the correct iso add the ei.cfg file as explained elsewhere if installing Clean on "Bare metal" - then choose the W11 version you want to install / test. I recommend for now though unnless you have a spare totally testing machine keep as VM's until the whole W11 thing becomes clearer.

Cheers
jimbo

Cliff S · Jun 19, 2021

Annnnnd Microsoft isn't BSing around :eek:

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z3r010 · Jun 19, 2021

Is Windows Terminal built into Windows 11 or has it just installed from my store account?

Zardoc · Jun 19, 2021

johnlgalt said:
there are plenty of non-redundant apps that are bloatware.

The phone app

OHH, just saw: Dido with Nigel!! :)

I totally agree about the other apps (in my case) but the phone app, especially during the covid period were I work from home, have meetings with multiple users and get a steady stream of text messages I can use my phone fully hands free on the phone app. I even save pictures and files from Windows. The only issue is that answering calls from Windows creates a redundant sound effect between phone mic and Win mic which makes you sound like your in your in a can.

Now, there are also all these great tools out there like Nlite (which I have used a lot with Win XP) or you can use the MS tools to create a Golden Windows iso.

Enterprise versions and Workstation versions like Jimbo mentioned should not be bloated with tools that the average worker will not use on a daily basis. That being said it's normal to have a family edition or a Pro edition with all the bells and whistles in it.

The work iso's should have like an Nlite menu on install that lets you choose what to add to your lets say enterprise version. Because lets agree you will add less than you will remove.

Anyways, with billions of Windows users and a cash cow for MS, pleasing all the masses is a tough game. The big boys get paid the $$ as long as the cow gives a good amount of milk.

Superfly · Jun 19, 2021

z3r010 said:
Is Windows Terminal built into Windows 11 or has it just installed from my store account?

Built-in mine

z3r010 · Jun 19, 2021

Superfly said:
Built-in mine

That's good

KelNat · Jun 19, 2021

Do you need to use a microsoft account during install or can you use a local account?

BunnyJ · Jun 19, 2021

KelNat said:
Do you need to use a microsoft account during install or can you use a local account?

When I installed mine it picked up my MS account and it used it to activate Win 11

Winuser · Jun 19, 2021

KelNat said:
Do you need to use a microsoft account during install or can you use a local account?

When I installed the Pro version I didn't need to use my MS Account or a activation key. Being unactivated I was very limited to making any changes. I did finally find a unused Pro key for a no longer used HP desktop. When I installed the Home version I had to use my MS Account. There is now a work around posted on this site so you don't need a MS Account to install the Home version.

Winuser · Jun 19, 2021

BunnyJ said:
When I installed mine it picked up my MS account and it used it to activate Win 11

Did you use a clean install or a upgrade install. I did clean install in VMware. Once MS does a official release I'll be upgrading my Dev builds.

BunnyJ · Jun 19, 2021

Winuser said:
Did you use a clean install or a upgrade install. I did clean install in VMware. Once MS does a official release I'll be upgrading my Dev builds.

Upgrade. I took a chance and did the upgrade on my main PC.. risky,, yes but I could always reinstall everything again

Winuser · Jun 19, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Upgrade. I took a chance and did the upgrade on my main PC.. risky,, yes but I could always reinstall everything again

With our backup images we have very little to lose. The reason I chose to use a VM is because it's a leak and I know nothing about the source where I downloaded the ISO from.

Fabler2 · Jun 19, 2021

Winuser said:
With our backup images we have very little to lose. The reason I chose to use a VM is because it's a leak and I know nothing about the source where I downloaded the ISO from.

I'm running Pro in a VM and did an upgrade install with the same .iso to Windows Home Dev which activated.

ksio89 · Jun 19, 2021

johnlgalt said:
I think the poster meant the bloatware in CP is not CP itself, but having duplicates - like a Programs and Features in CP versus Apps in Settings.

badrobot · Jun 19, 2021

z3r010 said:
Is Windows Terminal built into Windows 11 or has it just installed from my store account?

There's a shortcut to Windows terminal in the context menu when your right-click anywhere in the desktop.

z3r010 · Jun 20, 2021

badrobot said:
There's a shortcut to Windows terminal in the context menu when your right-click anywhere in the desktop.

View attachment 346

Yeah, that's where I first spotted it, but as I already have it on my PC from the Microsoft Store wasn't sure if it had just installed itself from my account.

badrobot · Jun 20, 2021

johnlgalt said:
I think the poster meant the bloatware in CP is not CP itself, but having duplicates - like a Programs and Features in CP versus Apps in Settings.

Yeah, but settings and control panel , for example, are not stand alone, installable programs that you can call bloatware. They are coded into the the OS as UI for windows configuration and personalization. They don't affect performance. Bloatware does affect performance. It is not like having Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome together.

johnlgalt · Jun 20, 2021

jimbo45 said:
If you use one of the isos available now you can choose which version to install (W10 Home, Pro, Education, Workstation, Enterprise etc) on a VM you don't need a key but it will limit personalisation - however you will see that Enterprise, and Workstation editions have much less bloat in them -- I haven't tride education - but I might have a go on a VM later.

To get selection on a clean install on bare metal :

Create a “ei.cfg” file containing the following text:
[EditionID]
Professional
[Channel]
Retail

Save the ei.cfg file to the \Sources folder on your iso extraction.

Cheers
jimbo

You actually don't need to edit hte efi.cfg - upon clean install it provided all available editions during the setup procedure.

Plus, there is no easy way to install those without an actual license to draw from to register. And without registration, the OS is pretty crippled.

barman58 said:
To be honest I whilst I know there is a lot of "Bloat" in windows 10 (and was in the previous versions), It does not bother me - I use the Start menu (Popup), populated with those applications I use. and leave the rest "Out of Sight- Out of Mind"

There are ways of removing unused "Apps" - if they are set to autorun, and they turn out to be Memory Hogs, but if an App has no visible detriment to the way the system runs, I just ignore it

If you want to tidy up the all apps list there is a right click option to "remove from this List" which mostly also works for those items that do not have an Uninstall option. If you "have to" uninstall an app there are ways of achieving this, but windows may act unpredictably afterwards.

Gamers do have actual problems getting the most performance on their gaming systems, a lot of this is down to Bad or non standard programming, that causes the games to require more that a correctly coded app. For these situations you can remove a lot of using third party tools but you will have to expect to have unpredictable results afterwards

There is more to it than that. When I install 3rd party applications to supersede the ones pre-installed by Microsoft, more often than not I have to go through the process of changing file associations a couple of times to use my app of choice - because Windows 10 helpfully tells me that "there was a problem and your file associations ahve been reset to the default app" - every single time I have a new, clean install. And, while some of the pre-installed apps can be removed (and I do so as much as I possibly can) some of them cannot.

badrobot said:
Yeah, but settings and control panel , for example, are not stand alone, installable programs that you can call bloatware. They are coded into the the OS as UI for windows configuration and personalization. They don't affect performance. Bloatware does affect performance. It is not like having Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome together.

The apps *inside* them. I know full well that Settings and Control Panel themselves are not, thanks.

Furthermore, if you don't use them and they sit there taking up resources (because they cannot be disabled, for example - take search) then that is (by the very definition) bloatware.

Hazel123 · Jun 21, 2021

barman58 said:
To be honest I whilst I know there is a lot of "Bloat" in windows 10 (and was in the previous versions), It does not bother me - I use the Start menu (Popup), populated with those applications I use. and leave the rest "Out of Sight- Out of Mind"

There are ways of removing unused "Apps" - if they are set to autorun, and they turn out to be Memory Hogs, but if an App has no visible detriment to the way the system runs, I just ignore it

If you want to tidy up the all apps list there is a right click option to "remove from this List" which mostly also works for those items that do not have an Uninstall option. If you "have to" uninstall an app there are ways of achieving this, but windows may act unpredictably afterwards.

Gamers do have actual problems getting the most performance on their gaming systems, a lot of this is down to Bad or non standard programming, that causes the games to require more that a correctly coded app. For these situations you can remove a lot of using third party tools but you will have to expect to have unpredictable results afterwards

I don't think any of those unnecessary apps really slow things down - the only thing that really slows things down IMO is Windows Updates running! But that's not very often :) And One drive. Personal bugbear. Even so I turn off most background apps in settings.

jimbo45 · Jun 22, 2021

Hazel123 said:
)I don't think any of those unnecessary apps really slow things down - the only thing that really slows things down IMO is Windows Updates running! But that's not very often :) And One drive. Personal bugbear. Even so I turn off most background apps in settings.

OneDrive can be uninstalled if you don't want / use it. I only have it on when I need it and I don't enable "make data available offline" or sync with other devices.

I'm not sure though why Ms Solitaire collection got installed by default on Workstations PRO edition !!! -- My view is that the business type editions Workstation, Enterprise (not sure if that one is actually out yet --even "in the wild") shouldn't have any of these sorts of things in them. I switched back to the "W10 Classic Menu" - I don't like the "New one".

Cheers
jimbo

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