Solved C drive cloned to a larger NVMe SSD, but recovery was not cloned, is this a problem?

XYZ · Dec 23, 2024

I have not thought to mention this before, and perhaps it changes nothing, but to be sure, I will mention it now:

I have a lot of software not installed directly on the C drive but on a secondary internal drive. So it is even more important that everything stays the same.

AndreTen · Dec 23, 2024

XYZ said:
Thanks, AndreTen, I didn't know about this option. Interesting. Although the upgrade part sounds ominous. While I have no interest in restoring the old W10 recovery part (the computer is maybe 3/4 years old), as "allan" has mentioned, and I had not thought about, I need the OEM recovery part as my Windows licence and such like are in that.

At present, the former hard disk (NVMe SSD) is still installed, and the new NVMe SSD is in a hard drive enclosure not presently connected to the computer by USB.

The article doesn't cover this situation, but I assume the new hard drive would have to be installed in the computer as a C drive. But would be missing perhaps essential information, such as the OEM Windows licence for this process. It is the recovery section (OEM) that contains this information I need and not the recovery section for the old W10.

I feel it might be wiser to just do a new clone onto my new (external) drive. Since my knowledge and experience is too little, and my self-belief in this area is too shaky. My main concern and questions were, can I just go ahead and perform a new clone without further preparation (such as removing the data now on my new hard drive or any other action I would need to do first)?

Your digital activation is stored on MS servers, you don't need that partition for Windows activation process.

And I really doubt it's an OEM recovery partition, those are typically about a couple of GB in size. YOu have an old Win 10 recovery partition and a new one, the first is in the front of Windows partition and the current one is after. You can check the active recovery partition with command:

Code:

reagentc /info

Type it in an elevated prompt.

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aubergine · Dec 23, 2024

allan said:
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SIW2 · Dec 23, 2024

, I need the OEM recovery part as my Windows licence and such like are in that.

Oem machines nowadays have the license in the motherboard firmware MSDM table.

From your screenshot it doesnt look like an oem recovery partition, it is much too small.
Looks like the original windows installation had the 450mb recovery partition for winre.wim at the start of the disk.
A subsequent update needed a larger partition for a bigger winre.wim and created the bigger recovery partition to house it.

C drive cloned to a larger NVMe SSD, but recovery was not cloned, is this a problem?

Just need to check if my thinking is correct about not needing the recovery sections after cloning: W10 is the original installed software of my desktop. Now it is W11. I cloned my C drive system to a new and larger NVMe SSD. However, although successful, the recovery sections were not cloned...

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SIW2 · Dec 23, 2024

Simplest thing to do if you want an ms recovery partition to house winre.wim is to create one. Can be done with diskpart or a 3rd party partition menager

allan · Dec 23, 2024

Or, as I said earlier, don't worry about the recovery partition and just use imaging sw on a regular basis.

XYZ · Dec 24, 2024

Drive is cloned! I sincerely thank everyone who has offered help and advice. I am deeply grateful. Special thanks to "allan" for his above-and-beyond help and advice, thanks so much allan! I wish everyone a very happy and enjoyable Christmas period. Thanks!

I will install the new drive in the coming days.

allan · Dec 24, 2024

XYZ said:
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Drive is cloned! I sincerely thank everyone who has offered help and advice. I am deeply grateful. Special thanks to "allan" for his above-and-beyond help and advice, thanks so much allan! I wish everyone a very happy and enjoyable Christmas period. Thanks!

I will install the new drive in the coming days.

It's a team effort here, but you're most welcome. Glad everything is as you want it now. Happy Holidays!!

XYZ · Dec 25, 2024

AndreTen said:
Your digital activation is stored on MS servers, you don't need that partition for Windows activation process.

And I really doubt it's an OEM recovery partition, those are typically about a couple of GB in size. YOu have an old Win 10 recovery partition and a new one, the first is in the front of Windows partition and the current one is after. You can check the active recovery partition with command:

Code:

reagentc /info

Type it in an elevated prompt.

And Macrium free V8 can also be run in Commercial environment.

Sorry, I am so late following up on your recommendations AndreTen due to issues, I have neurodevelopmental disorders and tend to get overwhelmed or even panicky. It would seem that a recovery is in section 5.

AndreTen · Dec 25, 2024

Your active Recovery partition is Partition5 - you can open disk management and check which one is in use. (almost certain that this is the one after system partition.

XYZ · Dec 25, 2024

AndreTen said:
Your active Recovery partition is Partition5 - you can open disk management and check which one is in use. (almost certain that this is the one after system partition.

Yes, it is the 704 MB Partition (after system partition). However, in the newly cloned SSD it is now 721 MB. I probably extended it slightly by mistake (hopefully, that is not a problem).

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

BLUE SCREEN after fitting new NVMe SSD

Blue screen says "your computer ran into a problem and needs to be restarted" it restarted automatically but same blue screen/message. I powered off.

Have no idea what the problem is? (Using an older computer to type this)

After powering on, the black screen showed the turning circle at the bottom/middle of the screen. This turned for a few moments before the blue screen came.

To install the NVMe SSD, I had to remove a secondary drive structure, but I also removed the graphic card to clean it.

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

Not sure if this applies (and don't fully understand it) :

Can You Move a Windows Installation to Another Computer?

DennisG · Dec 28, 2024

XYZ said:
BLUE SCREEN after fitting new NVMe SSD

Blue screen says "your computer ran into a problem and needs to be restarted" it restarted automatically but same blue screen/message. I powered off.

Have no idea what the problem is? (Using an older computer to type this)

After powering on, the black screen showed the turning circle at the bottom/middle of the screen. This turned for a few moments before the blue screen came.

To install the NVMe SSD, I had to remove a secondary drive structure, but I also removed the graphic card to clean it.

At this stage I would be inclined to try as follows:
1. Put the old SSD back in the machine, boot and make sure all is working.
2. Using your backup software of choice, make separate images of both Windows and system partitions.
3. Download W11 image and make bootable usb.
4. Re-install new SSD and do a clean install of W11
5. Boot from your backup recovery usb and backup your Windows partition image made previously. Hopefully, you won't need the system partition backup.
Good luck.

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

I am in BIOS new drive is showing, but not sure what to do now, don't know BIOS so well . Was trying to get into SAFE Mode

RD Mercer · Dec 28, 2024

XYZ said:
I have a lot of software not installed directly on the C drive but on a secondary internal drive. So it is even more important that everything stays the same.

I'm not sure this is even possible, although I would never install any of my programs on a slave drive, "for this reason" but I'm certainly going to follow this thread to see if this is even possible.

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

F1 system information
F2 system diagonse
F9 options for boot-(manager?)
F10 BIOS-Setup
F11 System Restore

WHICH to try?

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

DennisG said:
At this stage I would be inclined to try as follows:
1. Put the old SSD back in the machine, boot and make sure all is working.
2. Using your backup software of choice, make separate images of both Windows and system partitions.
3. Download W11 image and make bootable usb.
4. Re-install new SSD and do a clean install of W11
5. Boot from your backup recovery usb and backup your Windows partition image made previously. Hopefully, you won't need the system partition backup.
Good luck.

Thanks DennisG:

Yes, I have read this somewhere online and maybe I have to try and do this. Although I am not sure, I fully understand this process, so still hoping there is another solution first.

I wonder if I can/should try the F2 System diagnose in BIOS (or is there some reason against doing this?)

Okay, I see no other option. I will have to re-install the old NVMe SSD

XYZ · Dec 28, 2024

RD Mercer said:
I'm not sure this is even possible, although I would never install any of my programs on a slave drive, "for this reason" but I'm certainly going to follow this thread to see if this is even possible.

I have been running many software from my second drive for years (but I don't know if cloning a new NVMe SSD has altered this and is the cause of the problem?)

RD Mercer · Dec 28, 2024

DennisG said:
At this stage I would be inclined to try as follows:
1. Put the old SSD back in the machine, boot and make sure all is working.

Personally, I would get out of the bios, and try this before going any farther. By having some of your software programs on a slave drive, I'm not sure you will ever be able to do what you have set out to achieve. But I'm sure interested in seeing if this can be done.

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