How can I limit my CPU temps?


Helmut said:
"Undervolting reduces the voltage and hence the power and temperature at the same performance level. "

That is not true, Laptop CPUs are designed to use lower voltages primarily to save on power in the interests of Battery life, the performance is also lowered.

Perhaps people should mug up on some Semiconductor Physics.

I just use snake oil paint on the "Intel CORE i7" label, changing the i7 to i9.
People always think they can get something for nothing, hence the proliferation of Optimising Apps like the one mentioned.

All this is off topic for the OP.
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I am a physicist. The performance has nothing to do with semiconductor physics. It has to do with how the processors are throttled on power, current and temperature - not voltage - and Ohm's law (including the power relationship).

It is not off topic in the sense undervolting can be used to reduce temperatures and was already brought up in that contest in this topic. I am responding to try and clear up some misconceptions. You yourself responded and so are also responsible for perpetuating the discussion btw.
 
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PerpetualCycle said:
Undervolting reduces the voltage and hence the power and temperature at the same performance level. Depending what you want, the cpu can either run cooler at the same performance or the same temperature at higher performance.

How much you can gain is dependent on the quality of your cpu sample. You also need to stress test the cpu since, if you Undervolt too far your system can become unstable. Your BIOS also has to support it. It can be tedious and frustrating.
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It underclocks but does not undervolt if referring to Camomile since my system will not undervolt in Windows 11 due to the virtualization security enabled which blocks access to the MSR needed to undervolt. There is a workaround named PowerMonkey which allows undervolting before the system fully boots up which will work with 99% of everything except Windows Subsystem for Android. I am a Astrophysicist.
 
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Almighty1 said:
It underclocks but does not undervolt if referring to Camomile since my system will not undervolt in Windows 11 due to the virtualization security enabled which blocks access to the MSR needed to undervolt. There is a workaround named PowerMonkey which allows undervolting before the system fully boots up which will work with 99% of everything except Windows Subsystem for Android. I am a Astrophysicist.
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I would not trust any app to do the right thing. Was referring to BIOS Undervolting, maybe Intel XTU.
 

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PerpetualCycle said:
I would not trust any app to do the right thing. Was referring to BIOS Undervolting, maybe Intel XTU.
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Not sure if Power Monkey would be considered an app or not but Intel XTU and/Throttlestop which both depend on reading/writing to does not work in Windows 11 if Virtualization Security is enabled. Specifically, WSL2, Virtual Machine Platform is activated. This feature enables VBS and VBS blocks accessing specific MSRs via software.

This explains it better.

Thanks @PerpetualCycle for commenting on the thread, otherwise I wouldn't have done a search and found how to do this without even using Power Monkey which I will try some other time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPS/comments/sh02yr/undervolting_my_9510_11800h_with_windows_11_and
 
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PerpetualCycle said:
I would not trust any app to do the right thing. Was referring to BIOS Undervolting, maybe Intel XTU.
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For clarification, BIOS undervolting is the act of changing the voltage offset of the CPU to a value below zero by accessing the setting for it in the "BIOS", or UEFI firmware on a computer the UEFI firmware of which can provide user access to this setting if the user knows how to access it, which not all users know, but which the YouTube video that I earlier linked shows how it can be done on a MSI Raider laptop from 2023 that uses the same exact Intel i9-13800HX CPU that the OP also has.

For further clarification, choosing to use XTU or ThrottleStop to undervolt the CPU (i.e. as opposed to choosing to use the above mentioned "BIOS" method to undervolt the CPU) gives the main benefit of not risking to brick the computer after it crashes as a result of instability caused by undervolting farther than the maximum that the CPU can handle without it becoming too severely unstable to still be able to change the offset value back to something that can be considered to be a tad more conservative. Then again, if the user has read the basics about how this works, then it should be trivial the fact that this risk is possible to be avoided by using XTU or ThrottleStop to first find out through experimentation exactly how "too severely" will translate to a voltage offset value that can be considered to be reasonably safe to apply in the BIOS settings for that CPU. So basically, the biggest problem is that a lot of people don't read the basics. Basically. But now I am going a little off topic. :D
 

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Almighty1 said:
Not sure if Power Monkey would be considered an app or not but Intel XTU and/Throttlestop which both depend on reading/writing to does not work in Windows 11 if Virtualization Security is enabled. Specifically, WSL2, Virtual Machine Platform is activated. This feature enables VBS and VBS blocks accessing specific MSRs via software.

This explains it better.

Thanks @PerpetualCycle for commenting on the thread, otherwise I wouldn't have done a search and found how to do this without even using Power Monkey which I will try some other time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPS/comments/sh02yr/undervolting_my_9510_11800h_with_windows_11_and
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AFAIK dumping the BIOS when you're on Intel 13th/14th Gen is not possible without using a SPI Flash Programmer, though. So, on those, if your BIOS doesn't let you unlock undervolting (e.g. through a "secret"/hidden menu of the BIOS), then the method described in the Reddit post won't be that simple.
 

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hdmi said:
AFAIK dumping the BIOS when you're on Intel 13th/14th Gen is not possible without using a SPI Flash Programmer, though. So, on those, if your BIOS doesn't let you unlock undervolting (e.g. through a "secret"/hidden menu of the BIOS), then the method described in the Reddit post won't be that simple.
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You are most likely correct since in my case, it's a 8th generation processor i7-8750H to be exact.
 

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spapakons said:
After upgrading BIOS certain motherboard devices are affected and will also need to update their respective drivers. This is where you install the newer Intel thunderbolt driver and the Intel Management utility.
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Speaking about Thunderbolt drivers as I do not have any thunderbolt devices on my system, what section is the Thunderbolt supposed to be under in Device Manager? Thanks!
 

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Almighty1 said:
Speaking about Thunderbolt drivers as I do not have any thunderbolt devices on my system, what section is the Thunderbolt supposed to be under in Device Manager? Thanks!
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If it's an onboard Thunderbolt controller, then it should appear in the System devices category, and both the Thunderbolt HSA Component and the Thunderbolt Toast Component should appear in the Software components category. If its the Asus ThunderboltEX 4 expansion card, then AFAIK all three of these will appear in the Universal Serial Bus controllers category instead.
 

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Undervolting or any other such advanced settings are usually NOT available on a laptop very limited BIOS (or UEFI firmware) with few exceptions, in general there is no way to do it without some utility inside Windows.
 

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hdmi said:
If it's an onboard Thunderbolt controller, then it should appear in the System devices category, and both the Thunderbolt HSA Component and the Thunderbolt Toast Component should appear in the Software components category. If its the Asus ThunderboltEX 4 expansion card, then AFAIK all three of these will appear in the Universal Serial Bus controllers category instead.
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In my case, it's part of the Dell XPS 9570 Laptop. I know when it shipped, the Intel Thunderbolt did show up in Device Manager but after I did a upgrade to Windows 11, I had never seen it again. Someone in another thread a few years ago said it will only show up if I plugged a Thunderbolt Device as on my system, the USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt share the same physical port.
 

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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    32GB using 2x16GB modules
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    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
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    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
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    Realtek ALC3266-CG
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    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
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    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    SwitftPoint ProPoint
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Almighty1 said:
In my case, it's part of the Dell XPS 9570 Laptop. I know when it shipped, the Intel Thunderbolt did show up in Device Manager but after I did a upgrade to Windows 11, I had never seen it again. Someone in another thread a few years ago said it will only show up if I plugged a Thunderbolt Device as on my system, the USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt share the same physical port.
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Have you verified that the Thunderbolt driver is installed?

Intel Thunderbolt Controller Driver | Driver Details | Dell US

www.dell.com
 

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    i7 13650HX
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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    i5 1135G7
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www.techpowerup.com

ThrottleStop 9.6 Download

ThrottleStop is a small application designed to monitor for and correct the three main types of CPU throttling that are being used on many lapto
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
Helmut said:
That is not true, Laptop CPUs are designed to use lower voltages primarily to save on power in the interests of Battery life, the performance is also lowered.
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Not really, CPU runs at the same speed, it just takes less voltage, it is basics of overclocking. Manufacturers do not tinker with it, because each CPU is different, they just set the highest working safe speed and voltage. I undervolted my laptop and overclocked it at the same time. I got 2GHz instead of 1.9GHz and 30C lower temperature at full load, 70C vs 100C. I would not use a laptop without undervolting.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    PC/Desktop
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    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
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    ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 3.15 (07/24)
    Memory
    2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @4800 CL40 (07/24)
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    ASROCK Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8G @60FPS (08/24)
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    24" Philips 24M1N3200ZS/00 (05/24)
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    1920×1080@165Hz via DP1.4
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    Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB (07/19)
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    Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
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    Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
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    Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
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    HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
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    Logitech M330 Silent Plus (04/23)
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    500/100 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
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    Edge & Brave for YouTube & LibreWolf for FB
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    NextDNS
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    Backup: Hasleo Backup Suite (PreOS)
    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170 (09/10)
    Phone: Samsung Galaxy Xcover 7 (02/24)
    Chair: Huzaro Force 4.4 Grey Mesh (05/24)
    Notifier: Xiaomi Mi Band 9 Milanese (10/24)
    2nd Monitor: AOC G2460VQ6 @75Hz (02/19)
spapakons said:
Undervolting or any other such advanced settings are usually NOT available on a laptop very limited BIOS (or UEFI firmware) with few exceptions, in general there is no way to do it without some utility inside Windows.
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On my old Medion P6678 laptop (model MD61550, MSN 30023793) with an Intel i5-7200U from the local Aldi grocery store it was possible to undervolt out-of-the-box by using nothing but ThrottleStop.

be3423c465d9fe57b28504ed4e1d2233.jpg
 

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    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
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    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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    Logitech K800
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
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    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
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    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
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    Windows Defender that came with Windows

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    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
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    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
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    Li-ion
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Logitech K800
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    i5 1135G7
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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I don't know about your area, but here in Greece Dell has a very good support. A Technician comes with the parts and repairs your computer in your house or office. If it requires too many hours they can arrange to send and receive it back without charge, depending on your Warranty terms.
 

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    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
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    Acer Extensa 5630
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    4GB
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    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
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    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
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    1
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    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
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    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
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    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
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    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
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    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
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    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
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    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
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    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
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    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
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    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
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    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
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    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
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    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
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    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
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    100Mbps
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    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
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    Microsoft Windows Defender
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    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
hdmi said:
First, update the BIOS by using the M-FLASH method. Also grab the Intel Management Engine Firmware Update Tool from this same webpage.
Still on this same webpage, you can go to the Drivers section and also grab the Intel Thunderbolt driver from there so that you don't have to do it later. (As for the Utility section, just grab all the utilities that you think you might need from it or maybe consider to do it later.)

Next, consider to undervolt your CPU. This video is about the Raider GE78HX (not the GE68HX-13VF), but the method to unlock undervolting on the CPU will still likely be the same.
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hihi, i know its been a bit, but i ended up undervolting it by like ~ 100, do you think thats good enough? it seems to be working and i have ran a short OCCT test for 10 mins and it worked out great. how would i know if the undervolt doesnt turn out good?
 

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  • OS
    Microsoft Windows 11 Home
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    Laptop
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    MSI Raiders GE68HX 13VF
    CPU
    13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13950HX 2.20 GHz
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    MS-15M2 REV:1.0
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    Max 64GB Up to DDR5-5600
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    Intel(R) UHD Graphics (iGPU), NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4060 Laptop GPU 8GB GDDR6
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    Realtek(R) Audio, Intel Smart Sound
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    144 hz, 8-bit
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    1920 x 1200
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    NVMe Micron 2400
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    4-Cell 99.9 Battery (Whr)
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    Per-Key RGB Keyboard by SteelSeries
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    Google
    Other Info
    i got it around nov 2023, first laptop ever.
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