Install to old pc without uefi and tpm. Is this possible?


Wow, what a convoluted bunch of "yada, yada, yada", (and five pages) to do something that is just SO simple.

40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then and there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"
An old German once said, "we get too soon oldt, und too late schmart".
I've tried to always get smarter as I've gotten older.

I thank whoever it was that first posted to use the latest version of Rufus to condition an ISO whilst it was burning it to a Flash Drive. I've used Rufus, in earlier versions, for years to burn ISO's of various OS's to Flash Drives. But the first time I used the "new" Rufus to burn Win-11 to a Flash Drive, I was actually alarmed, when Rufus opened up a little window I'd never seen before, and asked me if I wanted it to remove the compatibility demands, and then asked me what Name I wanted to use on the new install. WOW, I was blown away. So I filled in all the blanks and checked all the boxes and Rufus closed that little window and went on with the burning process, just like I'd seen it do, many times before.

Sure enough, when I booted up my PC, with the Flash Drive, the install went off without a hitch, and at the appropriate place, there was my Name in Win-11. How cute!

I'm running that Win-11 right now, and after some tweaks, and tips being applied, I'm loving it!

NO upgraded OS's for this old tech. I always do CLEAN Installs, so I'm sure to get rid of any Boogered up files from the old OS. And it's always a good time to filter out those files that I really don't want or need to keep. Happiness can be a nice, clean, install of an OS, and the programs, and data files, that one really needs.
Plus, when I'm installing the programs that I like, it's a good time to download the very latest versions of those programs, without combining old code with new code. Everything is new, fresh and working perfectly. Even my Epson printer drivers are downloaded afresh, and up to date for Win-11.

I sincerely hope that the OP, and anyone else contemplating an upgrade to Win-11, will just K.I.S.S.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
 

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TechnoMage2021 said:
Wow, what a convoluted bunch of "yada, yada, yada", (and five pages) to do something that is just SO simple.

40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then an there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"

I thank whoever it was that first posted to use the latest version of Rufus to condition an ISO whilst it was burning it to a Flash Drive. I've used Rufus, in earlier versions, for years to burn ISO's of various OS's to Flash Drives. But the first time I used the new Rufus to burn Win-11 to a Flash Drive, I was actually alarmed, when Rufus opened up a little window I'd never seen before, and asked me if I wanted it to remove the compatibility demands and then asked me what Name I wanted to use on the new install. WOW, I was blown away. So I filled in all the blanks and checked all the boxes and Rufus closed that little window and went on with the burning process, just like I'd seen it done before.

Sure enough, when I booted up my PC, with the Flash Drive, the install went off without a hitch, and at the appropriate place, there was my Name in Win-11. How cute!

I'm running that Win-11 right now, and after some tweaks, and tips being applied, I'm loving it!

NO upgraded OS's for this old tech. I always do CLEAN Installs, so I'm sure to get rid of any Boogered up files from the old OS. And it's always a good time to filter out those files that I really don't want or need to keep. Happiness can be a nice, clean, install of an OS, and the programs, and data files, that one really needs.
Plus, when I'm installing the programs that I like, it's a good time to download the very latest versions of those files, without combining old code with new code. Everything is new, fresh and working perfectly. Even my Epson printer drivers are downloaded afresh, and up to date for Win-11.

I sincerely hope that the OP, and anyone else contemplating an upgrade to Win-11, will just K.I.S.S.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
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Good stuff

BUT :: sometimes you need old applications you've had possibly even since XP days on a PC. It;s not always possible if you do a clean W11 install to install again from scratch some of those older apps you might want -- even if you haven't lost the serial numbers or the myriad of updates.

In principle you are right but for many a totally clean install won't work though - especially if running a load of legacy software and hardware. (VMs help with that of course but not everybody is equipped to manage those).

Cheers
jimbo
 

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TechnoMage2021 said:
40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then and there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
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K.I.S.S. means different things to different people. I can do most things with a few simple command line commands in less time then it takes another user to download, install, and run a third party program to do the same thing.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
No need to repeat it again, clean installation is better for a computer with less than 10 applications installed and few GB of data to backup. For anything else it is a nightmare I would rather avoid. For an average computer with tens of applications and hundreds of GB to backup, no thanks. I am willing to do a little more effort and upgrade than lose hours of my very limited free time to take a backup and do a clean installation. Not all cases are the same. In Greek we say "don't make assumptions for others based on yourself".
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Right Jimbo, but, again, I like to Keep it Simple, and it sounds like you're trying to make it complicated.
The older programs that I like (32 bit) all run fine in Win-11.
I keep them on my Utilities Flash Drive, (used to be on a DVD). For the few that require a Lic. key, I keep that too on the same Flash Drive, so it's easy to get to and implement, during the programs install.
Even the really OLD Solitaire, (Sol.exe) runs fine in Win-11, when I put Sol.exe and Cards.dll in the same folder. It's basically the same game I've been playing since DOS days.
I do understand your concerns, but in my case, those concerns are completely unwarranted.

And, as I sit here running Win-11/Pro/64, it's not my first rodeo. This is actually my fifth install of Win-11. I have it running happily in four other locations. With each install I learn a little more about how to make it faster, smoother, and more user friendly.
I love Shawn's tutorial on how to restore the Long version of the Rt Click Context menu.
And, I got rid of that weird blue thingy, on the desktop, in favor of a nice Winter Wonderland Theme.

Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa, with snow drifts that could cover up a building.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
 
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TechnoMage2021 said:
Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
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Snow is best appreciated from a distance, be that measured in length or time. I certainly didn't appreciate my 'up close and personal' encounter this last week or so. It's all melted now, and unlikely to return any time soon.

Merry Christmas to you too.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I can rest assured, that I won't be dealing with any snow drifts here in the Sunshine state.
And, I won't have any problems installing any OS, now or in the future. It's all a matter of approach and application. ;-):D:D

My approach is that I'm still the BOSS around here, and my application is that I will use whatever technology is available to me. :ROFLMAO: To do less, would be self defeating.

Merry Christmas, Mates,
TM :cool:

PS: Just for grinns....Here's my new Win-11 Desktop, minus the program icons, lest they get lost in the snow. :ROFLMAO:
Winter 11.jpg
 
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TechnoMage2021 said:
Right Jimbo, but, again, I like to Keep it Simple, and it sounds like you're trying to make it complicated.
The older programs that I like (32 bit) all run fine in Win-11.
I keep them on my Utilities Flash Drive, (used to be on a DVD). For the few that require a Lic. key, I keep that too on the same Flash Drive, so it's easy to get to and implement, during the programs install.
Even the really OLD Solitaire, (Sol.exe) runs fine in Win-11, when I put Sol.exe and Cards.dll in the same folder. It's basically the same game I've been playing since DOS days.
I do understand your concerns, but in my case, those concerns are completely unwarranted.

And, as I sit here running Win-11/Pro/64, it's not my first rodeo. This is actually my fifth install of Win-11. I have it running happily in four other locations. With each install I learn a little more about how to make it faster, smoother, and more user friendly.
I love Shawn's tutorial on how to restore the Long version of the Rt Click Context menu.
And, I got rid of that weird blue thingy, on the desktop, in favor of a nice Winter Wonderland Theme.

Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa, with snow drifts that could cover up a building.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM :cool:
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First of all you are of topic.
Second of all you must read topic and then answer you simply do only the 2nd thing.
 

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    Windows 7 sp1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Browser
    Firefox
TechnoMage2021 said:
I can rest assured, that I won't be dealing with any snow drifts here in the Sunshine state.
And, I won't have any problems installing any OS, now or in the future. It's all a matter of approach and application. ;-):D:D

My approach is that I'm still the BOSS around here, and my application is that I will use whatever technology is available to me. :ROFLMAO: To do less, would be self defeating.

Merry Christmas, Mates,
TM :cool:

PS: Just for grinns....Here's my new Win-11 Desktop, minus the program icons, lest they get lost in the snow. :ROFLMAO:
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Again of topic.
 

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A poster stated "older pcs are legacy bios only" but did not define how old - that is only really true for very old pcs e.g. at least 10 years old. UEFI came out in 2002.

I cannot remember last time I saw a legacy bios only device.

Also, I cannot for the life of me see why people would deliberately choose to install legacy bios if they can install uefi (safer, more flexible - particularly more than 4 primary partitions etc.).
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Well, my one PC that had UEFI/Legacy Dual Bios, just died! RIP!
So now I'm stuck with using an older HP Slimline Desktop with only the Legacy Bios. But hey, it runs OK, and with two SSD's in it, I can have by old 8.1 and my new Win-11, selectable at boot up. It's an imperfect world we live in. Eh?

My Main PC dies on Friday the 13th. Suppose fate is trying to tell me something?

The best part of the whole experience, was when I took my SSD out of the dead tower and put it in the little HP and booted it up, , ,
8.1 went through a mini install and settled right in, and in just a few brief minutes it was acting just like it had been there its whole life.
Sometimes we have to take a little step backwards, but life does go on.
That install of 8.1 had not had a real Deep Cleaning since it was first installed in June '22. So I ran my new Cleanup batch file (modified for Win-8.1 paths) and WOWSERS! it found and deleted 753,365 garbage files. That's more than just a basket full.....that's a Dump Truck full!
If each one of those files was a brick, I could build myself a brick house!

On a positive side, the little HP was designed with a little HD drawer that just pulls right out. It will hold just ONE 3.5" hard drive, but, with the little 2.5" SSD's being so thin, I can squeeze two of them in there, With their little mounting adaptors. One SSD for Windows 8.1 and one SSD for Windows 11. WOW! Dual boot, well, pretty much.
Cheers Mates!
TM :cool:
 

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Why install Legacy BIOS instead of UEFI?
1) To avoid the small system partitions taking valuable disk space on small SSD or MMC. You can even use a workaround to get a single NTFS partition, no system partition at all.
2) You notice absolutely no difference in performance over UEFI
3) Not everyone uses more than one primary partition or even cares about this option.
4) Extra security of UEFI is debatable and unneeded for the average user.
5) I cannot think of another reason.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
spapakons said:
Why install Legacy BIOS instead of UEFI?
1) To avoid the small system partitions taking valuable disk space on small SDD or MMC. You can even use a workaround to get a single NTFS partition, no system partition at all.
2) You notice absolutely no difference in performance over UEFI
3) Not everyone uses more than one primary partition or even cares about this option.
4) Extra security of UEFI is debatable and unneeded for the average user.
5) I cannot think of another reason.
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1. That is an exaggeration about partitions taking space. Files are either in separate partitions or in folders on C drive. It would have to be a tiny ssd to have any real impact. Maybe marginal on 32gb mmc.

2. Most pcs use 3 primary partitions even in legacy bios, only leaving one for data. If you want to dual boot, 4 is limiting options (unless you use vhds). You can go through hoops and loops with legacy bios to get to one partition of course,,but why bother

3) Hardly debatable - secure boot is more secure for sure as it prevents a lot of malware getting installed. Any protection is better than none.

4) Greatest reason - newer generation pcs do not even run mbr any more. My laptop gen 11 I7 cannot even run legacy bios (I have tried).

5) Not a major point for most users but you can only have 2TB drive max as OS drive for legacy bios.

In the end, Legacy mbr is dying history. UEFI is ascending future (until something new comes along).
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
It might be faulty file association. Right-click on an image and select Open with... Then go to the Choose another application option at the bottom to open all applications. Select the desired application and check the box to always open this type of image with this application. The specific file type will be associated again with the application and the icons should fix.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I believe you little of-topic.
Please return on topic.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 sp1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Browser
    Firefox
Gregory said:
Hi.
I want to install the windows 11 to an old laptop without uefi and tpm.
Can i do that?
As i see from net i find some version it can install to pc's without tpm but without uefi i don't find anything.

Please help.
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Yes. Here's my old Asus laptop running Widows 11 in Legacy BIOS mode.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 24H2 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-14700F
    Motherboard
    ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB OC
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 2K HDR Gaming
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 1TB NVMe (Win 11 24H2)
    SK hynix P41 500GB NVMe (Win 11 23H2)
    SK hynix P41 2TB NVMe (x3)
    Crucial P3 Plus 4TB
    PSU
    Corsair RM850x Shift
    Case
    Antec Dark Phantom DP502 FLUX
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black + 7 Phantek T-30's
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 320
    Mouse
    Razer Basilisk V3
    Internet Speed
    350Mbs
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Winows Security
    Other Info
    Windows 11 23H2 22631.4890 (VHDX)
    On System One (Dual Boot)
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 24H2 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-11700F
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Z590 Plus WiFi
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3050 XC Black Gaming
    Sound Card
    SoundBlaster X-Fi Titanium
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung F27T350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
    Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB
    Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD
    PSU
    Corsair HX750
    Case
    Cougar MX330-G Window
    Cooling
    Hyper 212 EVO
    Internet Speed
    350Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
Some fellow mentioned is hard to find Windows 11 bypassing compatibility check out of the box. Why bother? Download the official Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft and use Rufus to create the USB without the compatibility check.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Here is an easy way without any patches, rufus etc.

1. create usb installation drive for windows 10 using w10 media creation tool

2. create w11 iso for windows 10 using w11 media creation tool

3. mount w11 iso as a drive

4. copy sources\install.esd from iso drive to usb sources folder (overwrite w10 install.esd with w11 install.esd).

5. Boot from iso, and install W11 now with no checks.

You can do it with install.wim isos but a bit more complicated as install.wim is > 4 GB
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
This is the hybrid Windows 10/11 USB flash drive. It works great for a clean installation, but unfortunately it cannot be used for upgrade.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
spapakons said:
unfortunately it cannot be used for upgrade
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At what stage does it go wrong?

I saw this post whilst killing time during an attempt at a Windows 11 upgrade using a hybrid Win10-11 Install USB as described by cereberus.
- I made a USB because I found it easier than jobbing the ISO file directly but am doing it as an In-place upgrade [not a Clean install].
- The initial screens have been normal and it's now at 33% progress.

It's my final attempt at updating this definitely non-compliant computer [a x64 tablet with an integrated keyboard so it looks like a very small laptop - Chuwi Hi10 Pro].
- The first attempt bypassed compatibility checks but then failed at the Safe_OS reboot stage.
- I have a feeling that, if it works, it would be a better Windows 11 testbed than my current one.


All the best,
Denis
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
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