It's Official. Windows 11 is Vista 2.0

i486 said:

No, I don't condone it, but I don't want MS to turn into a DRM watchdog for every possible company either. It's simply not their place, and there are countless ways this could interfere with consumer habits everyone takes for granted now. There are also cases where cracked software is legal, such as games sold at GOG. They work with game publishers to release games DRM-free, but also sometimes get their game executables from less than reputable sources. Often these files trigger false positive detections.

Many of these habits mentioned fall into a grey area of legality, but they can be as mundane as ripping a music CD for a digital library.

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But? So in a way you are condoning it. Let's face facts, we're not talking about grey areas we're discussing the theft of software. But you seem not to mind steeling things that you should be paying for in the first place.

MS is simply preventing code from being allowed onto your device that may contain a virus. Get it? That's the job of an antivirus.. to protect you from you. I thought you would understand that individual that crack code aren't always doing it for altruistic reasons. They know that people like you will simply assume what they did is safe and you'll use and install the software in question without question and then they can infect your device.

I'm done with this subject.. if you can't understand the damage you're doing or the risks you're taking I nor anyone can stop you from steeling software. Oh.. one more thing, do you shoplift? Given your attitude about software I wouldn't be shocked to find out you do.

Just one last piece on the matter, What happens in the US or the EU has no effect on me- I do not come under either jurisdiction

In the UK there are laws to prevent theft of intellectual property and agencies that back up the law

The following is from an actual practitioner of UK law

Want to know the sentence for a digital piracy copyright offence in 2021?

As for the events that led to this discussion they are still against the rules of this forum and all previous Designer Media forums and will continue to apply as this is a UK website

BunnyJ said:

So in a way you are condoning it. Let's face facts, we're not talking about grey areas we're discussing the theft of software. But you seem not to mind steeling things that you should be paying for in the first place.

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I don't understand your accusing tone, or the insinuation that since I question the potential intrusiveness of operating systems, I must also shoplift. That's like accusing a person of having something to hide if he criticizes Apple's recent decision to scan people's personal photos. This is exactly what I mentioned earlier: rights are one by one exchanged for figurative shackles, and the only winners in the end are megacorporations.

The data disc reference is a curious one: even if you've paid for it once, you're legally not allowed to circumvent the disc's copy protection. Most audio discs don't have any, but some do, and all video discs have even heavier copy protection. How is copying for personal use a theft if you've already paid for the product? After all, lawless redistribution is not the only reason to make copies, most often the reason is simply convenience. Should it be a consumer's right to do so, without being automatically accused of piracy? It's not a simple case of good corporations vs dishonest consumers. I think it boils down to the old "honest consumers have their nice things taken away because of criminals" pattern. Since the companies have no way of knowing whether you violate their copy protections for legal personal convenience or illegal redistribution, they err on the side of paranoia and thus even circumventing copy protections is deemed illegal. And so the honest are expected to compromise their convenience. The worst thing is that these licence holders are getting more paranoid all the time, and younger consumers take having fewer rights for granted. From a corporation's point of view, they are better consumers indeed. But what do I know, I must be too "entitled" to see the truth.

You must also consider the customer's rights, not only those of the corporation's. But I see that you consider the former a hindrance for some reason. Not everyone wants to forever "rent" everything they buy.

barman58 said:

As for the events that led to this discussion they are still against the rules of this forum and all previous Designer Media forums and will continue to apply as this is a UK website

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Discussing DRM and how it relates to Windows is still OK, right? It's about preventing piracy, after all.

Discussing DRM is not an issue, of course discussing possible or actual workarounds would be an issue

BunnyJ said:

That's the job of an antivirus.. to protect you from you. ...

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Well said.
That is by keeping the system stable. Also 'protecting the system from the user'.
If something breaks, it's the user's fault. :)
So this tends to be further enhanced in Win11, with ups and downs that users may experience from this.

z3r010 said:

2000 was gem of a stable OS.

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This. My favorite Windows by far. Clean, simple, and stable.

sgage said:

This. My favorite Windows by far. Clean, simple, and stable.

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Hi,
10 was always pretty stable
11 is to early to say but seeing 11 isn't all that different besides installing fewer apps I don't really find 11 better at anything yet.

ThrashZone said:

Hi,
10 was always pretty stable
11 is to early to say but seeing 11 isn't all that different besides installing fewer apps I don't really find 11 better at anything yet.

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10 and 11 are just about the same to me at least. I really did like 2k.. very solid and it just worked. But then I really like OS/2 warp.. I used that at work for a few years.

I've used every non-server Windows OS from 95 to Windows 11. That also included Windows 2000 (Win 2K) as well as Win2K Server.

Of those if I had to choose a favorite it would be Vista followed by Windows 7. That said, as soon as Windows 8 was released I dumped 7 to never look back. Did the same with Vista when 7 was released. Did that with every OS.

Currently running Windows 11 RTM and have no plans on reverting back to 10 on this machine. Will probably revert back to Windows 10 both my laptop (i7-7600U) and backup desktop (i7-7700K) seeing those CPU's aren't currently supported. No biggie though.

All that said, I'm liking what I see in Windows 11 as is and have no intentions of "tweaking" it to act or look like Windows 7 or 10. I'll do some minor tweaks with some of Brinks reg hacks, but nothing dealing with it's appearance.

That's me :)

It's now 10 days since I've upgraded to Windows 11.
There's no way I will be rolling back either of my computers.

I too like Windows 11 as is and have no intentions of "tweaking" it to act or look like Windows 7 or 10.

Kari said:

I think this is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard about why Windows 11 sucks:



Windows Defender in Windows 11 does not allow me to use my illegal, pirated software. Why does Microsoft not allow me to use pirated software? Windows 11 is bad!

Kari

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You can permanently disable Windows Defender just like your did in Windows 10.
Open "Windows Security" next to the clock in the task bar.

Disable "Turn off real-time protection"
Disable "Cloud-delivered protection"
Disable "Automatic Sample submission"
Disable "Tamper Protection"
Turn off "App & Browser Control" -> disable "Check App and Files" -> disable "Smart Screen for Microsoft Edge" -> disable "potentially unwanted apps" -> ""

Finally, disable "Windows Defender" using group policy (Win11 Pro only): "Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Microsoft Defender Antivirus"
- double-click the "Turn Off Windows Defender Antivirus" setting and set it to ENABLED

disable "Real Time Protection" using group policy (Win11 Pro only): "Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Microsoft Defender Antivirus > Real-Time Protection"
- double-click the "Turn off real-time protection" policy setting and set it to ENABLED

Lastly, do a cold Win11 reboot (not with "FastBoot" crap...). PRESTO! Windows Defender, real-time scan and the tamper protection will always be disabled!!! I do this with my Win10 Pro and I already tried the same procedure in the official Win11 build, it works. Your "alternative" and "dangerous" files will be left alone.

If you're using Win11 Home edition, you'll need to do these things in Windows registry. Google it and you'll find it.

CiroConsentino said:

You can permanently disable Windows Defender just like your did in Windows 10.
Open "Windows Security" next to the clock in the task bar.

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If you're using Win11 Home edition, you'll need to do these things in Windows registry. Google it and you'll find it.

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Trust me.. I know Kari knows how to turn off defender if he wants to.

BunnyJ said:

Trust me.. I know Kari knows how to turn off defender if he wants to.

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LMAO - if they haven't read the whole thread and put things in context, what else could you say

jaree1961 said:

LMAO - if they haven't read the whole thread and put things in context, what else could you say

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I appreciate someone trying to be helpful but a brief review of the land and thread would help before replying. Also, Kari is a legend here and needs doesn't need help.

BunnyJ said:

I appreciate someone trying to be helpful but a brief review of the land and thread would help before replying. Also, Kari is a legend here and needs doesn't need help.

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Plus one

BunnyJ said:

but a brief review of the land and thread would help before replying

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Isn't that the story of a forum... people not reading the thread but simply replying to a post? We all do it.

Add that not everyone, especially new members, knows everyone's qualifications. It's just typical business in a forum.

Dru2 said:

Isn't that the story of a forum... people not reading the thread but simply replying to a post? We all do it.

Add that not everyone, especially new members, knows everyone's qualifications. It's just typical business in a forum.

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It depends on the length of the thread. In many case I will follow the discussion back to the start so I fully understand the comments.

The original post was just a rant about W11.

AddRAM said:

The original post was just a rant about W11.

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Or better known as a troll post.