Solved Upgrade from Windows 11 to Windows 10?


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Though i am used to 11 now, over time i have the perception that "updates" have been the only change that i can account for that has been slowing my computer down.

In addition to that, i notice a lot of negative commentaries on YouTube, with a few cheerleaders for 11 whose presentations appear more like they are simply trying to "suck-up" to Microsoft.

I am not stating that the above are factual cause and effect nor reports. They do, however, give me motivation to ask the experts here (this being my most trusted source) your thoughts on reverting and what troubles i might cause for myself in doing so.

I am not so worried about the latest exploit nor security enhancement. It really seems to me that there is a paranoia culture growing that perhaps is being intentionally amplified. I am not that interesting of a target, and if someone wants a picture of me at the dentist or the lizard of which i recently took a picture, all they need do is ask, for that is about the most interesting thing i have on this computer. Yet i am behind a router and i do maintain a firewall and run a couple antimalware programs just in case i ever did do something stupid and open a malicious attachment or link.

I guess the one thing i must look out for is a version of W10 that would provide similar support as "11 Pro for Workstations" provides for ECC RAM and multiple processors, but with all that and the 16GB of RAM on board, i don't know why this thing is running as slow as my computers of five or ten years ago seemed to run-

Thank you for kindly being willing to share your expertise! I once was at the front of technology, even getting a new computer almost twice a year, but around the year 2000 when finances crashed, technology blew past me like standing on the wrong platform when a bullet train flies by.

As to this computer:
Device name
Processor Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-1370P @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
Device ID
Product ID
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

and...
Edition Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
Version 23H2
Installed on ‎12/‎28/‎2022
OS build 22631.3593
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22700.1003.0
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 for Workstations with 6 or more cores
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-1370P @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
    Memory
    16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
Are you having a specific issue you need help with?

And btw - moving from W11 to W10 is a downgrade, not an upgrade.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W10, W11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
Please indicate whether you want to:

a) move from Windows 11 to Windows 10

b) troubleshoot Windows 11 performance

c) something else
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
    Hard Drives
    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Mobile Workstation
Though i am used to 11 now, over time i have the perception that "updates" have been the only change that i can account for that has been slowing my computer down.
The only way 'upgrade' / regress to Windows 10 from 11 is to do a clean install of Windows 10; with the possible loss of all your apps /data UNLESS you secure these separately from the OS. The tools to clean install Windows 10 can be found here.

Support for Windws 10 will cease in October 2025, so you need to be mindful of this,

If your Windows 11 is 'running slow', first try to delete any 'crud' on your device.

BEFORE YOU START, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE BACKUP OF YOUR SYSTEM BY CREATEING A SYSTEM IMAGE OF YOUR DEVICE.
  • Run 'Disk Management' before you start
  • Set and use 'Storage Sense' and run regularly
  • Run 'Disk Cleanup' using the 'Cleanup System Files' option regularly
  • Run 'Component Store Cleanup' after every Windows Update
  • Optimise your partitions, with 'Optimise Your Drives' for HDD patitions / drives OR 'Trim' for your SSD partitons / drives
  • Run 'Disk Management' after you finish to check free space on your drives / partitions
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (Build 26100.3915)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision 3660 Tower Workstation
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900 5.10 GHz
    Motherboard
    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
    Memory
    32.00 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 770
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2714H Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 x 512GB NVME PC801 NVMe SK hynix - BOOT
    1 x 1TB Seagate ST1000LM049-2GH172 Internal HDD
    1 x 1TB Seagate STGX4000400 External HDD
    1 x 2TB Seagate STGX4000400 External HDD
    1 x 4TB Seagate STGX4000400 External HDD
    PSU
    300 Watts
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600
    Mouse
    Microsoft USB Basic Optical Mouse v2.0
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender + Malwarebytes Premium
    Other Info
    BaseBoard Manufacturer Dell Inc.
    BaseBoard Product 0J1CP3
    BaseBoard Version A01
In that i have seen many complaints over W11 performance, which i listen to but do not take as fact yet, and as my W11 performance has become sluggish considering when i first got this computer (12/2022) to now, i am first looking for trusted expert advice as to whether or not W11 deserves the criticism i have seen on YouTube - i well know there is a lot of BS there.

If W11 is better engineered and should run quicker than W10, then i am looking for assistance in determining why when i first got this computer it ran much quicker.

I also realize that my total perception is by my use of two programs, Outlook and Excel. Up until yesterday i was on MS365. I have deleted that and installed Office 2021 Pro. I admit that i need to give some time to assess present performance in the event that the sluggishness was a 365 matter or if i still have it with 2021.

Many thanks for your responses, i do honestly appreciate it. I only know enough these days to be a bit of a danger to myself.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 for Workstations with 6 or more cores
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-1370P @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
    Memory
    16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
I got a new HP Notebook in early Dec., it was quite inexpensive and about half the value was a year of Microsoft 365, had to learn the newer stuff. Win11 Home works just fine with 4GB RAM and 128GB NVMe drive but it's not a gaming or heavy lifting machine, have others for that. Everything I had/have on Win10 works good on Win11, just there's some visual changes from Win10 that one has to get used to such as more things from Control Panel are on the right-click of the Start button/Windows Key. There's a number of places in Win11 that will still identify as Win10 but not a problem. One other thing in appearance is the centering of icons on the Taskbar, sort of a copy of Mac OS but then there's a few versions of Linux doing the same thing. Also on Win11 in addition to Command Prompt is Terminal which actually opens PowerShell but then Mac OS and versions of Linux also have a similar Terminal.

Forgot to add about
If W11 is better engineered and should run quicker than W10, then i am looking for assistance in determining why when i first got this computer it ran much quicker.
most times I've seen such an issue has been with older programs.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe M.2
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 4TB Seagate HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
    Hard Drives
    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Mobile Workstation
In addition to that, i notice a lot of negative commentaries on YouTube

Most Youtube channels these days are monetised. I believe (as with many things) the negative attracts more attention than the positive. Many content creators know this and will create a negative as they know that people can’t take their eyes off a train wreck (so to speak) And that people might feel inclined to watch a negative with concern that there is something they should know. Not unlike News stories. News is nearly always focused on the negative as apposed to all the wonderful things in this world that they could be showing us. Negative sells. This of course is just my opinion.

As mentioned; If you’re having specific issues, create threads for those issues and people will help. Make them and they will come.
Like zbook said, you have 17 months to stay on Windows Ten, by then Windows 12 will be here.
Perhaps stay on Eleven so as to keep a closer link to the transition.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to downgrade to Windows Ten. There is help here for Windows Eleven.

Cheers 🙏
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5039
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    1000/400Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
OK, so i stick with 10 to avoid unnecessary headaches. This was my primary purpose of my post, and i thank everyone!

I fear to address the decline in speed is going to take some technical dissection; my biggest fear is not properly expressing what i see and thereby wasting someone's time but i will create a separate post and see what can be found.

Once again, thank you, everyone.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 for Workstations with 6 or more cores
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-1370P @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
    Memory
    16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
I fear to address the decline in speed is going to take some technical dissection; my biggest fear is not properly expressing what i see and thereby wasting someone's time

It is your decision to make. But be assured, members will be as comprehensive to you as they may need to be, where possible. And I assure you, members here are eager to help when they can, rarely is it seen by anyone as time wasting. The entire froum is about giving help to another person. 🙏
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5039
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    1000/400Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Stay off the YouToobz, think positive. Ppl can help & it's naht a toomah.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Again, you are not listing any specific issues you are having other than your system has become "sluggish" and you mention two apps, but not any issues with them. WHAT in particular is sluggish, and how is it sluggish? EXACTLY what performance issues are you seeing? I assure you, the OS has nothing to do with apps "becoming sluggish over time".
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W10, W11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
@ Allan - Thank you for your interest. I need to create a new thread to address these issues but for reference: the two apps are both MS products, Excel and Outlook, and the issues are prevalent in both the MS365 offering and Office 2021, the latter i just installed after wiping 365 off my computer a day or two ago.

I am not too sure how much i can refine "sluggish" at this point other than to state that both apps used to be crisp when i would click on anything; now (and i need to better define just when they start to stall) there are significant (sometimes several to perhaps 15 seconds or more) delays in response to a selection.

I also note that there sometimes are interactions between the two, in that while Excel might be stalling and i am awaiting it to respond, Outlook will not respond until Excel does. As best as i can guess i'd think some dang shared dll, but again, i only know enough to be dangerous to myself.

Thank you VERY mush for your interest!

Moderator: You are welcome to, if you so choose, move this into a new thread- just please let me know where to find it if you do!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 for Workstations with 6 or more cores
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-1370P @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
    Memory
    16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
Look at your Task Manager's Processes and Performance. See if you can detect an errant process or one that's taking up too much memory or resources.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11, Linux Ubuntu, Linux Xubuntu, Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700U
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Vega 8 Graphics & 4K Triple Screen Display

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