Why make Windows 11 like Windows 10

I do agree that, for many people, there is no immediate need to move to Windows 11, as Windows 10 is definitely not going to self-destruct, but it does seem inevitable that over the next 4 years the 'gap' between Windows 10 and 11 will widen significantly beyond just the contentious minimum hardware spec. If not, then there would be little point in introducing Windows 11 as a separate product, other than pressurising all computer manufacturers/assemblers to incorporate the newly specified CPUs and security hardware/firmware in all new Windows 'devices'. At present there seems to be many PCs and Laptops, especially those at the cheaper end of the market, which probably don't currently meet the specified hardware requirements for Windows 11.

Eventually, the downside to delaying transition is likely to be a widening gap between the two OSs, combined with a reducing Windows 10 user base. The upside may well be that, if a delayed transition is made, more knowledge and experience of 'real-life' Windows 11 use will be available; and the early adopters, who usually experience most problems, may well have assisted Microsoft in identifying and ironing out most of the inevitable 'kinks'.

What features Windows 11 might get which may not be back-ported to Windows 10 is, of course, entirely unknown, but the first indication of any real differences will probably become more apparent when the feature list for the first Annual Windows 11 'Update' is made public and the next Beta release is enters testing. Based purely on the timing of the initial Windows 11 announcement that seems to be probably at east 9 months away, but hopefully, in the meantime, Windows 11 users will see the "bug squashing" efforts continue, as more users will inevitably expose more issues; and maybe there could even be some interim tweaks to taskbar design/behaviour if the mass user feedback is that some improvements are needed.

Time will tell.

wpcoe said:

In general I agree with rolling with the punches and going with the "new & improved." Change the alignment of the Task Bar icons from left- to center-justified? Sure, I'll adapt and use that.

That said, I sometimes scratch my head and wonder about some of these "improvements." e.g. On Win10 I can make two clicks to change the audio source: one click on the System Tray speaker icon and then the second click for the new audio source. With Win11, they've inserted another level – and one more click – to do the same thing. Why? So we can ooh and ahh about the new mobile-phone-like shortcut panel that pops up?

That whole System Tray thing is strange: They still show separate network, speaker & battery icons, but clicking on any one of the icons selects them as a group and shows the new shortcut panel. How is that an enhancement?

The OS should be about efficiency, not adding clicks to achieve a task.

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Very much agree with you

wpcoe said:

That whole System Tray thing is strange: They still show separate network, speaker & battery icons, but clicking on any one of the icons selects them as a group and shows the new shortcut panel. How is that an enhancement?

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this bit confused me too, it made no sense to me either to do that.
I'm not sure if the people that decided this course of change were entirely sane.

I like it. You can change your settings to what you prefer and has the link to Settings.

Ptolomios said:

this bit confused me too, it made no sense to me either to do that.
I'm not sure if the people that decided this course of change were entirely sane.

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If you right click on the icons for sound and network it opens the correct setting popup, bit of a strange change.

As far as the taskbar / action centre is concerned, I prefer the win 10 one, I like a busy taskbar that shows all the icons so I can see what is happening and it's a lot easier to access things

Ptolomios said:

this bit confused me too, it made no sense to me either to do that.
I'm not sure if the people that decided this course of change were entirely sane.

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I'm not sure why the icons are separated and not joined in a box on the Taskbar. For me after clicking on it a few times I no longer notice.

The-Hive said:

I just wondered why a lot of people get Windows 11 and then try to change things back to make it look like Windows 10?
If people don't like the new OS why not stick on Windows 10?
I am not saying what's right or wrong I am just curious

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HI,
I turn off most fluff anyway so all this super slide into and out of view would be disabled no matter which os.
Just waste of resources.

Hi there
W11 while "snappier" seems on the whole just an "Upgrade" to W10" -- not a lot different --at least as far as the user is concerned. What still though is diabolical is the split between "Control Panel" and "Settings". Please Ms make one or the other the central point for system adjustments. The present system is just confusing and not intuitive at all as some settings seem to be randomly moved between releases / updates from Control Panel to settings.

Cheers
jimbo

I always like to keep up on the latest and greatest!

Unfortunately, Windows 11 ain't the greatest!!!

jimbo45 said:

Hi there
W11 while "snappier" seems on the whole just an "Upgrade" to W10" -- not a lot different --at least as far as the user is concerned. What still though is diabolical is the split between "Control Panel" and "Settings". Please Ms make one or the other the central point for system adjustments. The present system is just confusing and not intuitive at all as some settings seem to be randomly moved between releases / updates from Control Panel to settings.

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I think much of 11 is different just for the sake of being different rather than being genuine improvements. But I guess they had to do something to sell the idea that it's a new Windows version.

Edwin said:

I always like to keep up on the latest and greatest!

Unfortunately, Windows 11 ain't the greatest!!!

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It's an abomination.
I only have one computer with Windows 11 on it, and that's how it's gonna stay.
I don't know why people are trying to circumvent incompatible hardware to install it. They're the lucky ones.

Edwin said:

I always like to keep up on the latest and greatest!

Unfortunately, Windows 11 ain't the greatest!!!

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I bailed out on Windows Vista. I went straight to Mandrake Linux until I became a Win 7 tester. When Win 8 came out I was thinking about going back to Linux. Luckily Win 8.1 was released. I was very pleased with Win 10. So far I think Windows 11 will be a keeper. I would like to be able to customize the Start Menu. So much space is being wasted with the Recommended area.

jimbo45 said:

Hi there
W11 while "snappier" seems on the whole just an "Upgrade" to W10" -- not a lot different --at least as far as the user is concerned. What still though is diabolical is the split between "Control Panel" and "Settings". Please Ms make one or the other the central point for system adjustments. The present system is just confusing and not intuitive at all as some settings seem to be randomly moved between releases / updates from Control Panel to settings.

Cheers
jimbo

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I am a Control Panel fan. With that said I don't have a problem with MS doing away it. Once I get use to where MS has moved the options in Control Panel I will be happy.

Winuser said:

I bailed out on Windows Vista. I went straight to Mandrake Linux until I became a Win 7 tester. When Win 8 came out I was thinking about going back to Linux. Luckily Win 8.1 was released. I was very pleased with Win 10. So far I think Windows 11 will be a keeper. I would like to be able to customize the Start Menu. So much space is being wasted with the Recommended area.

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Man, I haven't done Linux in ages. Got to find some time to try it out. Must be a bunch of flavors out there.

Zardoc said:

Man, I haven't done Linux in ages. Got to find some time to try it out. Must be a bunch of flavors out there.

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Bunch ? There's literary hundreds not even counting their versions, My stand by distro has always been Mint, in the PC and as Live portable.

CountMike said:

Bunch ? There's literary hundreds not even counting their versions, My stand by distro has always been Mint, in the PC and as Live portable.

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I stick to just 2 native releases these days -- Arch Linux -- really fast and can be installed with minimal bloat etc - great for running a whole slew of VM's including W11 releases and W2K19/W2K22 server and Fedora for use if something breaks on Arch Linux - although lately it's "the other way around" !!!. I use Ubuntu though in the WSL in Windows.

Here's W11 as a VM on Arch Linux using KVM/QEMU


Cheers
jimbo

Edwin said:

I always like to keep up on the latest and greatest!

Unfortunately, Windows 11 ain't the greatest!!!

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I'm with you on that one

larc919 said:

I think much of 11 is different just for the sake of being different rather than being genuine improvements. But I guess they had to do something to sell the idea that it's a new Windows version.

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I agree, I never thought of it like that before