Why make Windows 11 like Windows 10

The-Hive · Sep 29, 2021

Stigg said:
It's an abomination.
I only have one computer with Windows 11 on it, and that's how it's gonna stay.
I don't know why people are trying to circumvent incompatible hardware to install it. They're the lucky ones.

I agree, I really cannot see why people try to install 11 with incompatible hardware, from my experience of what I have heard it either runs slooow or has many errors

The-Hive · Sep 29, 2021

Winuser said:
I am a Control Panel fan. With that said I don't have a problem with MS doing away it. Once I get use to where MS has moved the options in Control Panel I will be happy.

It's like that with a lot of things Winuser, It's just getting used to them and how to find them :)

Wisewiz · Sep 29, 2021

The-Hive said:
I agree, I really cannot see why people try to install 11 with incompatible hardware, from my experience of what I have heard it either runs slooow or has many errors

It sorta depends on what you mean by "incompatible." This PC meets all of the other MS listed specs, but has a 7th generation i7 CPU. That CPU is perfectly capable of running 11, and I'm running the latest version of it. It's fast as lightning, and the only errors I've found are my own, not 11's. So there's really incompatible and there's for-the-moment-MS-says-it's-incompatible.

Dan

BunnyJ · Sep 29, 2021

Wisewiz said:
It sorta depends on what you mean by "incompatible." This PC meets all of the other MS listed specs, but has a 7th generation i7 CPU. That CPU is perfectly capable of running 11, and I'm running the latest version of it. It's fast as lightning, and the only errors I've found are my own, not 11's. So there's really incompatible and there's for-the-moment-MS-says-it's-incompatible.

Dan

It's simply not compatible. That's the fact and there's no getting around it. You can use it but I wouldn't expect support later on.

The-Hive · Sep 29, 2021

Wisewiz said:
It sorta depends on what you mean by "incompatible." This PC meets all of the other MS listed specs, but has a 7th generation i7 CPU. That CPU is perfectly capable of running 11, and I'm running the latest version of it. It's fast as lightning, and the only errors I've found are my own, not 11's. So there's really incompatible and there's for-the-moment-MS-says-it's-incompatible.

Dan

Hi Dan, I see what you mean. MS called a lot of 7th gen processors incompatible so I take that as being right. One person suggested to me that it is to do with the number of cores and may lead to problems if used to heavily. Weather this is true or not I have no Idea but it does sort of make sense.

Josey Wales · Sep 29, 2021

Wisewiz said:
It sorta depends on what you mean by "incompatible." This PC meets all of the other MS listed specs, but has a 7th generation i7 CPU. That CPU is perfectly capable of running 11, and I'm running the latest version of it. It's fast as lightning, and the only errors I've found are my own, not 11's. So there's really incompatible and there's for-the-moment-MS-says-it's-incompatible.

Dan

MS decides what is Compatible and at the moment they hold all the cards. Not much anyone can do about it.

BunnyJ · Sep 29, 2021

Josey Wales said:
MS decides what is Compatible and at the moment they hold all the cards. Not much anyone can do about it.

While I fully understand the frustration some are going through MS has set the specs and they eliminated old processors. Why? I don't know and it would be nice if they came out and told us why but, I doubt they'll do that. As they say.. Acceptance is the answer to all of my problems...

CountMike · Sep 29, 2021

BunnyJ said:
While I fully understand the frustration some are going through MS has set the specs and they eliminated old processors. Why? I don't know and it would be nice if they came out and told us why but, I doubt they'll do that. As they say.. Acceptance is the answer to all of my problems...

Why ? It's apparently for lack of security features they are pushing.

BunnyJ · Sep 29, 2021

CountMike said:
Why ? It's apparently for lack of security features they are pushing.

Ok.. thanks for the clarification. I suspected that was the reason but I wasn't sure.

Bree · Sep 29, 2021

The-Hive said:
Hi Dan, I see what you mean. MS called a lot of 7th gen processors incompatible so I take that as being right. One person suggested to me that it is to do with the number of cores and may lead to problems if used to heavily. Weather this is true or not I have no Idea....

No, the official line from Microsoft is that only processors for which the manufacturer (Intel or AMD) support the new 'Windows Driver model' will be supported by MS for Windows 11. The (very few) 7th gen Intel processors that have now been added to the supported list do have such drivers available. For the vast majority of 7th gen, and for all earlier generations, Intel do not supply such drivers, so MS will not support them for W11.

Microsoft said:
Reliability. Devices upgraded to Windows 11 will be in a supported and reliable state. By choosing CPUs that have adopted the new Windows Driver model and are supported by our OEM and silicon partners who are achieving a 99.8% crash free experience.

Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements

Windows Insiders, Today we’re releasing our first Insider build for Windows 11, and we’re looking forward to the insight that comes from you installing and using on a variety of your PCs. Last week’s

blogs.windows.com

Winuser · Sep 29, 2021

CountMike said:
Why ? It's apparently for lack of security features they are pushing.

With MS coming out with a new line of Win 11 devices I wonder!

CountMike · Sep 29, 2021

Winuser said:
With MS coming out with a new line of Win 11 devices I wonder!

Don't think so, "New devices" could run W10 just fine.

The-Hive · Sep 29, 2021

Bree said:
No, the official line from Microsoft is that only processors for which the manufacturer (Intel or AMD) support the new 'Windows Driver model' will be supported by MS for Windows 11. The (very few) 7th gen Intel processors that have now been added to the supported list do have such drivers available. For the vast majority of 7th gen, and for all earlier generations, Intel do not supply such drivers, so MS will not support them for W11.

Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements

Windows Insiders, Today we’re releasing our first Insider build for Windows 11, and we’re looking forward to the insight that comes from you installing and using on a variety of your PCs. Last week’s

blogs.windows.com

Thanks for that info Bree. I did say maybe true or not, obviously not

Winuser · Sep 29, 2021

CountMike said:
Don't think so, "New devices" could run W10 just fine.

And old devices can't run Win 11 without a hack to get it installed.

CountMike · Sep 29, 2021

Winuser said:
And old devices can't run Win 11 without a hack to get it installed.

Ones made last 4-5 years most probably can.

Winuser · Sep 29, 2021

CountMike said:
Ones made last 4-5 years most probably can.

The older devices that are not on the list need a hack to install and run Win 11. I'm sure if there is a way MS will stop the ability to use the hack. Then those that want as the say The latest and greatest will have to upgrade their devices. Surprise, surprise MS not only has a new OS but new devices to run the OS on.

CountMike · Sep 29, 2021

Winuser said:
The older devices that are not on the list need a hack to install and run Win 11. I'm sure if there is a way MS will stop the ability to use the hack. Then those that want as the say The latest and greatest will have to upgrade their devices. Surprise, surprise MS not only has a new OS but new devices to run the OS on.

It was always like that, makes sense that MS offers devices to fit new OS first. They no best and first what new windows would require and be first to offer such devices. Just another page for Apple book.

Bree · Sep 29, 2021

Winuser said:
And old devices can't run Win 11 without a hack to get it installed.

CountMike said:
Ones made last 4-5 years most probably can.

...and with a hack, age is not an impediment. My System Two is 11 years old

tonez4466 · Sep 30, 2021

martyfelker said:
I am "cautiously" using the Start11 Beta to customize Windows 11 to my liking. Stardock has been at this for a very long time and its only five bucks. However, I just bought Zorin OS 16 Pro where you install a Windows 11 like look if you wish

its now $52.57

gmemore · Sep 30, 2021

I just miss the total customization ability of the Start Menu that evolved in W10 (to flog the dead horse).

I'm not really interested in a 3rd party solution for Start, especially since I don't want to go back to pre-10 start either. I really like most everything in 11, but the start menu, for those who like organizing their start menu is disappointing. Categorization is/was a huge plus . Seems most have their way of doing things and that's fine and some don't like certain changes and that's fine as well. I suffered through a lot of network printer and pc communication issues in 10 that I never had in 7, so they all gots their flaws...

It's not a character flaw, it's just a preference. It doesn't require approval or disapproval.
The Recommended section is a waste, IMHO. And, for as much as it has been complained about, feedbacked about (with the obligatory generic "we're looking into it" response) and written about in one article after another, it is fairly obvious it is here to stay. ANY customization would help

So I will continue to Multi-boot 10 and 11, get used to the changes and try to devise a new way for me to personally navigate my programs, er, um apps in the most comfortable way I can. And then when Windows 12, the best windows yet comes along, I'll do it again

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