Are you happy with Windows 11

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
With the new recall you also get screen capture.. and then it is spyware as you get both keylogging and screen capturing.

Incredible efficiency! Gotta give credit where credit is due! Ashes to ashes. . .

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
Incredible efficiency! Gotta give credit where credit is due! Ashes to ashes. . .

The positive thing is you can rip out all the crap out of win10/11 and get a decent system

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
The positive thing is you can rip out all the crap out of win10/11 and get a decent system

Yes, indeedy. There's something there for every domestic end user to play with. Never a dull moment. "Strung out in the heavens high, hitting an all time low..."

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
Yes, indeedy. There's something there for every domestic end user to play with. Never a dull moment. "Strung out in the heavens high, hitting an all time low..."

and also an endless cat and mouse game, as every version uproll will undo every deep modification we do.

As for me I'm going with the LTSC solution as that one has less crap inside do to its for business usage.. so if MS dont want to end up in court for corporate espionage, they cant use telemetry the same way as in home/pro.. and its less bloated.. and it is a long term version so the OS stay the same over time.
And as there are no win-LTSC forums as tenforums and elevenforums.. here i am.

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
and also an endless cat and mouse game, as every version uproll will undo every deep modification we do.
As for me I'm going with the LTSC solution as that one has less crap inside do to its for business usage.. so if MS dont want to end up in court for corporate espionage, they cant use telemetry the same way as in home/pro.. and its less bloated.. and it is a long term version so the OS stay the same over time.
And as there are no win-LTSC forums as tenforums and elevenforums.. here i am.

Well stick around because one never knows when one might be needed. I was surprised to find even I've helped a few folks on this forum from time-to-time. Windows 11 is so great I'm already looking forward to Win 12! :lmao:

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
Well stick around because one never knows when one might be needed. I was surprised to find even I've helped a few folks on this forum from time-to-time. Windows 11 is so great I'm already looking forward to Win 12!

I'm mostly on tenforums and elevenforum for the social part

some times ones a year i might ask a question to save time if i dont have time to search for information.. Last question was if 2021LTSC could be hotpatched and i didn't have the time to search the web for the answer as i was working at the same time.
I will never-ever use home/pro of win10/11/12/13/55 as long they have rolling releases.. rolling releases just sucks when you do deep system modifications

not even if they payed me for using it.. and even less if i have to pay for a freewere license. (freewere=software that contain ads)

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
.. and even less if i have to pay for a freewere license. (freewere=software that contain ads)

I hear you. One of my biggest peeves that I've expressed numerous times is how after a critical update MS seems to re-install/re-activate all that junk I thought I already disposed of. That's why I don't feel bad anymore about using ROGUE operating systems because IMO MS has already gone rogue themselves. It would seem that they want me to pay them to own my hardware. Never has this been so profoundly exemplified with their approach to CSM so-called "secure boot". For me, it makes it next to impossible to keep my optional Linux OS running on triple boot. TPM worked fine for me before this and I didn't need to use any module. The fact that TPM2 is still being exploited and security keys are still being stolen hasn't gone unnoticed. They've had over a decade to fix it. They need to let it go. I mean if they really must alter their OS to keep up with the newer hardware that's fine, but they should at least provide a bare bones OS for those who aren't in the market to buy the bleeding edge platforms. OR . . . STOP messing with the kernel so much that I can't boot to another operating system unless it's Windows. How rude!

Edwin · Jan 18, 2025

Fresh on Build 27774, I just had the creepiest encounter with the pathetic Copilot chat bot!
Didn't take me long to Revo her a$$ into outer space!
(I'd post the video but, it's got a bit too much foul language in it!!!)

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Edwin said:
Fresh on Build 27774, I just had the creepiest encounter with the pathetic Copilot chat bot!
Didn't take me long to Revo her a$$ into outer space!
(I'd post the video but, it's got a bit too much foul language in it!!!)

See, this is what I mean. Every time you install the latest Windoze distro, errrm "version" you gotta go thru all that again. Major Tom isn't worth the trouble. You have to eject that pilot and remove all the junk he leaves behind. I'm happy, I hope you're happy too.

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Oh no... Not again...

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
I hear you. One of my biggest peeves that I've expressed numerous times is how after a critical update MS seems to re-install/re-activate all that junk I thought I already disposed of. That's why I don't feel bad anymore about using ROGUE operating systems because IMO MS has already gone rogue themselves. It would seem that they want me to pay them to own my hardware. Never has this been so profoundly exemplified with their approach to CSM so-called "secure boot". For me, it makes it next to impossible to keep my optional Linux OS running on triple boot. TPM worked fine for me before this and I didn't need to use any module. The fact that TPM2 is still being exploited and security keys are still being stolen hasn't gone unnoticed. They've had over a decade to fix it. They need to let it go. I mean if they really must alter their OS to keep up with the newer hardware that's fine, but they should at least provide a bare bones OS for those who aren't in the market to buy the bleeding edge platforms. OR . . . STOP messing with the kernel so much that I can't boot to another operating system unless it's Windows. How rude!

Security is good and windows is unsecure by nature and have always been and will continue to be.. anyone saying different lives in MS-fantasy land.

But people have to calculate the threat model they have.. are you on a big public network, or in a smaller closed network.. wlan or lan.. does anyone have physical access to the computer and so on and on and on times ten... then you secure the computer for what you need.
The biggest security threat is the person behind the keyboard.. it has always been and will always be.. and its also pretty interesting how everyone say you have to install EVERY patch... okay.. patching the holes is the most important thing.. But why patch RDP if you have ripped out that from the system.. or patch IPv6 if you dont use IPv6.. or why patch an MS-office patch if you using libre office.
Some patches are bad for performance and is way more effective with a workaround(disable etc)..
also one BIG security hole on windows and other OS's is that all firewalls has the setting.. Block inbound as default but allow ALL outbound as default... That is why malware can create a remote connection from inside and out, so the attacker can remote in... Does the calculator really need network access? :think:

So i totally hear you on the TPM and secure boot etc

I dont use secure boot, i dont encrypt my computers... i only encrypt personal/sensitive data.. as i dont get hurt by anyone seeing my bookmarks or can see my movies, or my music or operating system files..

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
Security is good and windows is unsecure by nature and have always been and will continue to be.. anyone saying different lives in MS-fantasy land.

But people have to calculate the threat model they have.. are you on a big public network, or in a smaller closed network.. wlan or lan.. does anyone have physical access to the computer and so on and on and on times ten... then you secure the computer for what you need.
The biggest security threat is the person behind the keyboard.. it has always been and will always be.. and its also pretty interesting how everyone say you have to install EVERY patch... okay.. patching the holes is the most important thing.. But why patch RDP if you have ripped out that from the system.. or patch IPv6 if you dont use IPv6.. or why patch an MS-office patch if you using libre office.
Some patches are bad for performance and is way more effective with a workaround(disable etc)..
also one BIG security hole on windows and other OS's is that all firewalls has the setting.. Block inbound as default but allow ALL outbound as default... That is why malware can create a remote connection from inside and out, so the attacker can remote in... Does the calculator really need network access?

So i totally hear you on the TPM and secure boot etc
I dont use secure boot, i dont encrypt my computers... i only encrypt personal/sensitive data.. as i dont get hurt by anyone seeing my bookmarks or can see my movies, or my music or operating system files..

I suppose all that patching is made with the assumption that a user might change their mind about how they use their PC, or, the PC might have multi-users, or, a future program or app could be installed that will require the extra "security". Perhaps MS is just being prudent and exercising their foresight. BUT if they can't get it right after a decade I think it's time to move on to something else, I should think, because TPM just isn't cutting it. Given the fact that Win 11 made over 80% of people's PCs non-compliant I would venture that this move was little more than a belligerent corporate decision made in the interests of profits and shareholders more than anything else. They're not called the Consortium for nothing.

I think the move was callous. Don't get me wrong, I'm not so draconian as to stand in the way of progress, but real progress is flexible and provides options. It doesn't stifle. It is sad when someone forks out 2K$ or more to get a decent PC only to discover three or four years later it just isn't good enough for basic use because the new OS won't support it, or it can't support the new OS. Its' infuriating when someone forks out over 10K$ on a solid work station only to experience the same thing. Never mind sad.

One alternative would be a bare bones OS that allows people to go to the Windows Store and add apps as they need them. It's an economically sound choice and it has the potential to be more environmentally friendly. But MS doesn't really want that, evidently.

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
I suppose all that patching is made with the assumption that a user might change their mind about how they use their PC, or, the PC might have multi-users, or, a future program or app could be installed that will require the extra "security". Perhaps MS is just being prudent and exercising their foresight. BUT if they can't get it right after a decade I think it's time to move on to something else, I should think, because TPM just isn't cutting it. Given the fact that Win 11 made over 80% of people's PCs non-compliant I would venture that this move was little more than a belligerent corporate decision made in the interests of profits and shareholders more than anything else. They're not called the Consortium for nothing.

I think the move was callous. Don't get me wrong, I'm not so draconian as to stand in the way of progress, but real progress is flexible and provides options. It doesn't stifle. It is sad when someone forks out 2K$ or more to get a decent PC only to discover three or four years later it just isn't good enough for basic use because the new OS won't support it, or it can't support the new OS. Its' infuriating when someone forks out over 10K$ on a solid work station only to experience the same thing. Never mind sad.

One alternative would be a bare bones OS that allows people to go to the Windows Store and add apps as they need them. It's an economically sound choice and it has the potential to be more environmentally friendly. But MS doesn't really want that, evidently.

Windows was better on this in the past.. before 2018 i think.. then they had individual updates so you could patch what was needed for your system setup.. also some security flaws can be a useful feature if you are a power-user/nerd

Linux is good on this one.. as you only update installed packages.. and you can select what packages you want or dont want... As windows was in the past

Yeah it would be a much-much times ten better solution if you had a bare system install as you had in the past on windows up to win7 i think it was.. or at least up to 2014ish.. then you had to install all the software you wanted/needed.. Now you have to uninstall a bunch of things and then install the things you want/need *lol*

then this forced updates.. they are just annoying.. and some times really inconvenient.. if you need the system up for a long time..
in EU you can uninstall edge but not in US.. and also soon MS will have to put back the switch to disable automatic updates in EU as a new EU rule says you have to be able to turn off updates.. I dont remember exactly what they wrote in the 100 page document.. but some time you dont afford downtime and everyone knows.. MS updates are not the most stable ones.

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
Yeah it would be a much-much times ten better solution if you had a bare system install as you had in the past on windows up to win7 i think it was.. or at least up to 2014ish.. then you had to install all the software you wanted/needed.. Now you have to uninstall a bunch of things and then install the things you want/need *lol*

No matter what we think would be best they will do what they like because they have targeted the youth and are not all that concerned about what seasoned Windows users think. What matters most to them is what sells and what will keep them on the hook. The practical side of computing will be left to the Linux users and Windoze at best will be a playground for script kiddies if that. What with the advent of AI nobody will have to make their own art, produce their own music, or even write a book. AI will do it all for you. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Win 12 completely removed access to CMD for that matter. Why should people have to trouble their pretty little heads over such trivial things? Just pay money and be happy.

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
No matter what we think would be best they will do what they like because they have targeted the youth and are not all that concerned about what seasoned Windows users think. What matters most to them is what sells and what will keep them on the hook. The practical side of computing will be left to the Linux users and Windoze at best will be a playground for script kiddies if that. What with the advent of AI nobody will have to make their own art, produce their own music, or even write a book. AI will do it all for you. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Win 12 completely removed access to CMD for that matter. Why should people have to trouble their pretty little heads over such trivial things? Just pay money and be happy.

Yeah MS can do what they wants as no body cares.. That is why i try to wake up people like the comment of spyware.. as most honestly dont know what's going on in the background of their system.. as they dont read the use of terms/privacy/data collection before they agree to the terms. And then when calling win10/11 spyware, they get mad

and then when you show them the microsoft document.. they just go silent..
But what most people forget is that we, the users have ALL the power.
If everyone stopped use windows until they "fix the problem" then MS has two choices.. comply to the mass... or go bankruptcy.. But people dont care if microsoft has total access to their data. Or they dont believe what we are saying and when we say.. reed the terms on 20pages and 20 sub pages.. then they are to lazy and just pretend as we are lying.

DennyZenny · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
Yeah MS can do what they wants as no body cares.. That is why i try to wake up people like the comment of spyware.. as most honestly dont know what's going on in the background of their system.. as they dont read the use of terms/privacy/data collection before they agree to the terms. And then when calling win10/11 spyware, they get mad and then when you show them the microsoft document.. they just go silent..
But what most people forget is that we, the users have ALL the power.
If everyone stopped use windows until they "fix the problem" then MS has two choices.. comply to the mass... or go bankruptcy.. But people dont care if microsoft has total access to their data. Or they dont believe what we are saying and when we say.. reed the terms on 20pages and 20 sub pages.. then they are to lazy and just pretend as we are lying.

I won’t deny that Windows collects user data, but I personally believe that the moment you got your first smartphone or the moment you first used the internet, is the moment when you lost your true privacy. A person overly concerned with privacy and user tracking generally should not be using the internet at all.

It’s also interesting to note that when looking at the Windows/Microsoft TOS, they clearly let you know that your data anonymized. They don’t collect information that could directly identify you. There are many resources you can look at to have an idea of what data windows collects. For example there is a PCWorld article, and an official article from Microsoft published in October. I suggest you give these a read.

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

DennyZenny said:
I won’t deny that Windows collects user data, but I personally believe that the moment you got your first smartphone or the moment you first used the internet, is the moment when you lost your true privacy. A person overly concerned with privacy and user tracking generally should not be using the internet at all.

It’s also interesting to note that when looking at the Windows/Microsoft TOS, they clearly let you know that your data anonymized. They don’t collect information that could directly identify you. There are many resources you can look at to have an idea of what data windows collects. For example there is a PCWorld article, and an official article from Microsoft published in October. I suggest you give these a read.

I dont use a smartphone

i have a mobile phone without internet.. a dumbphone.. i know US also call them flipphones. I say dumbphones as they have no google, no apple etc.
People that "need" a smartphone can always get a degooled phone.
i have no microsoft account, i have no google account, i have no apple account , no amazon, no facebook.

you can still use internet and have privacy.. but you have to give up a lot as some sites dont work when you block out google..

Scannerman · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
I dont use a smartphone i have a mobile phone without internet.. a dumbphone.. i know US also call them flipphones. I say dumbphones as they have no google, no apple etc.
i have no microsoft account, i have no google account, i have no apple account , no amazon, no facebook.

you can still use internet and have privacy.. but you have to give up a lot as some sites dont work when you block out google..

Admirable. I don't use a cell. I have a land line. I don't do T.V. My vehicle does not use GPS. I'm not a Google user. I use Firefox and Start Page. I don't bank online. I bank via my land line. I don't use WiFi. (At least not at home.) This network is entirely hard wired. All my Windows operating systems are local accounts.

DennyZenny · Jan 18, 2025

Marie SWE said:
you can still use internet and have privacy.. but you have to give up a lot as some sites dont work when you block out google..

Yeah, this is the point I was trying to make. Unfortunately I am terrible at wording my thoughts properly. Your completely right about this as well, a person has to make a lot of sacrifices if they want true privacy.

The problem is that the average user needs certain tools that require data collection or have telemetry.

Marie SWE · Jan 18, 2025

Scannerman said:
Admirable. I don't use a cell. I have a land line. I don't do T.V. My vehicle does not use GPS. I'm not a Google user. I use Firefox and Start Page. I don't bank online. I bank via my land line. I don't use WiFi. (At least not at home.) This network is entirely hard wired. All my Windows operating systems are local accounts.

That is one step heavier then me

I gave up my landline in 1998 as i rarely was home so it was just an economical move to give that one up and go cellphone only..
I do online banking, but i have an totally isolated laptop for only that. (mainly for security reasons)
Same here.. i only use ethernet too.. wifi is both insecure, not total reliable and low performance compare to wired.
My three cars is to old to have any internet connection or wifi or bluetooth.. and i dont need GPS.

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