Microsoft is blocking Windows 11 build upgrades on systems with StartAllBack

jimminy · Apr 10, 2024

NormanF said:
The issues Microsoft blames on third party developers were created by Microsoft.

Such programs were running fine before it changed the rules. That's its prerogative but these changes have nothing to do with making Windows better.

Microsoft wants to get to decide what's allowed to run on Windows.

Exactly! And don't forget, they also want to decide what is allowed to run windows itself ... uefi, secure boot, tpm, certain processors, and other crap. Basically, new stuff they have blessed and anointed.

Soon, you'll have to kiss a microsoft employee's ass to activate windows :)

And promise to NEVER use any browser except edge.

Sveto · Apr 10, 2024

andrew129260 said:
As for the original topic, will be interesting to see if the app incompatibility will grow as the new release draws near.

StartAllBack is compatible as is Explorer Patcher, even in 24h2. Absolutely no problems, nothing, zilch.
You are being subjected to scare/bully tactics by MS. That is usually the case, when you get information from "one and only" / "the official" source and never investigate.
Pretty much a 100% of modern beliefs are intentionally built upon the premise one would NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES QUESTION, the official narrative.
The crude reality starts the moment, and often by mistake, one asks a question and performs the due research. Boy, oh boy what is expecting you on the other side!
But yeah, a solid 99.99999% would never make that step, cause it is quiet, calm and easygoing in the darkness. That is..... until the final building block has been placed by the rulers. Than it is going to be a lot of cry babies around - but yet the least of worries at that particular moment!

cereberus · Apr 11, 2024

NormanF said:
The issues Microsoft blames on third party developers were created by Microsoft.

Such programs were running fine before it changed the rules. That's its prerogative but these changes have nothing to do with making Windows better.

Microsoft wants to get to decide what's allowed to run on Windows.

I fell about laughing when I read this nonsense. MS can change whatever they like. They have no obligation to ensure EVERY 3RD PARTY app is not affected. We are talking about 1 in 1000s.

It is a totally ridiculous expectation that MS should ensure every 3rd Party App is unaffected. Even they could not afford to do that.

Have you never heard of the principle of ALARP (As Low As Reasonably Practicable) where a change is demonstrated to be as risk free as can be REASONABLY expected. It is UNREASONABLE to totally eliminate risk from a change.

Wynona · Apr 11, 2024

NormanF said:
The issues Microsoft blames on third party developers were created by Microsoft.

Such programs were running fine before it changed the rules. That's its prerogative but these changes have nothing to do with making Windows better.

Microsoft wants to get to decide what's allowed to run on Windows.

Nope. Windows is developed by Microsoft and it's up to third party developers to keep their apps updated to work correctly with Windows. I'm not entirely sure how it's done, but I know that most legitimate (by working within the confines of Microsoft requirements) third party developers are given the necessary code to get their apps to work properly.

Josey Wales · Apr 11, 2024

What Microsoft does want is for no one to change anything that in their mind would be detrimental or harm the core of Windows. The Secure Boot and The TPM and Defender Smart app are present due to the past hacking or cracking of Windows 7. I am having very few issues with it since leaving the IP.

Sveto · Apr 12, 2024

cereberus said:
MS can change whatever they like. They have no obligation to ensure EVERY 3RD PARTY app is not affected. We are talking about 1 in 1000s.

It is a totally ridiculous expectation that MS should ensure every 3rd Party App is unaffected. Even they could not afford to do that.

Have you never heard of the principle of ALARP (As Low As Reasonably Practicable) where a change is demonstrated to be as risk free as can be REASONABLY expected.

Yup, that is the blueprint of the NWO. It is expected for 999 out of 1000 to comply with the steps preset in the blueprint, especially when placed under uncertainty and chaos. They will be left to the system, which by design leads to a steady elimination of the majority. However that 1 out of 1000 will be targeted specifically and will be eliminated first! The system has a total control (similar to MS over Windows), so it is a child's game to identify that one exception. Not to worry, all based on AI calculations.

cereberus · Apr 12, 2024

Sveto said:
Yup, that is the blueprint of the NWO. It is expected for 999 out of 1000 to comply with the steps preset in the blueprint, especially when placed under uncertainty and chaos. They will be left to the system, which by design leads to a steady elimination of the majority. However that 1 out of 1000 will be targeted specifically and will be eliminated first! The system has a total control (similar to MS over Windows), so it is a child's game to identify that one exception. Not to worry, all based on AI calculations.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

NormanF · Apr 12, 2024

Speaking of the NWO, Microsoft let the developer of EP know removing old legacy code from the Windows taskbar was the reason for Explorer crashing in Windows.

Developer peasants need to get on with the programme. Your lords shall not be disobeyed.

A Guy · Apr 13, 2024

cereberus said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Neither does he...NWO, lol ooooh, scary

A Guy

hdmi · Apr 13, 2024

A Guy said:
Neither does he...NWO, lol ooooh, scary

Yeah. Northwestern Ontario certainly is scary... there's just way too many black bears over there.

dacrone · Apr 13, 2024

Hollywood Hulk Hogan is the leader… if you want go straight to the top and cut the head off the snake

antspants · Apr 13, 2024

Sveto said:
You are being subjected to scare/bully tactics by MS. That is usually the case, when you get information from "one and only" / "the official" source and never investigate.
Pretty much a 100% of modern beliefs are intentionally built upon the premise one would NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES QUESTION, the official narrative.
The crude reality starts the moment, and often by mistake, one asks a question and performs the due research. Boy, oh boy what is expecting you on the other side!
But yeah, a solid 99.99999% would never make that step, cause it is quiet, calm and easygoing in the darkness. That is..... until the final building block has been placed by the rulers. Than it is going to be a lot of cry babies around - but yet the least of worries at that particular moment!

Sveto said:
Yup, that is the blueprint of the NWO. It is expected for 999 out of 1000 to comply with the steps preset in the blueprint, especially when placed under uncertainty and chaos. They will be left to the system, which by design leads to a steady elimination of the majority. However that 1 out of 1000 will be targeted specifically and will be eliminated first! The system has a total control (similar to MS over Windows), so it is a child's game to identify that one exception. Not to worry, all based on AI calculations.

Are you George Orwell reincarnated?

NormanF said:
Speaking of the NWO, Microsoft let the developer of EP know removing old legacy code from the Windows taskbar was the reason for Explorer crashing in Windows.

Developer peasants need to get on with the programme. Your lords shall not be disobeyed.

Like it or lump it. Your empty words of rebellion and dissent are meaningless. Put your money where your mouth is; “Don’t use Windows” But you will use Windows, which is what makes what you’ve been ranting on about in all these posts, ridiculously boring, perhaps slightly amusing… IMO.

If you actually did stop using Windows and moved to another platform like Linux or something, you’d have my total respect for taking a stand.

Wolfzz · Apr 14, 2024

Just Now Words from the developer Tihiy

So far we've agreed with MS to disable classic taskbar on 24H2 by default for now.

Edwin · Apr 14, 2024

Wolfzz said:
... for now.

NormanF · Apr 14, 2024

When 24H2 becomes official later this issue, we'll see if those issues have been resolved.

IanMosley · Apr 15, 2024

NormanF said:
Will be interested to see if insiders have Microsoft blacklist issues in future 24H2 builds.

Found the following when checking the announcement of Start11 v 2.07 -

"Later this year, Microsoft will be releasing as significant update to Windows 11 that is referred to as 24H2 and as part of this release, it looks like Microsoft will be removing legacy code from the OS. The removal of this code is impacting any Windows 11 application that leveraged this functionality but Start11 and Start11 v2 are not impacted."

which could explain why certain apps will not work on 24H2.

antspants · Apr 15, 2024

A Guy said:
More from Moonnique at VC (who works for MS BTW)

With Windows 11 / Windows 12 24H2 26100
Microsoft has expanded the list of blocked programs.
So far this includes ExplorerPatcher and StartAllBack.
Both small tools to bring the old taskbar or the old Windows 10 start menu back to light, among other things.

If you want to install one of the two programs after installing it, you will receive a warning.
This is not the first time that Microsoft has specifically added programs to a block list.
This is probably because Microsoft will also remove these old functions from Windows 11 in the near future.

There were first signs in a Canary Insider with an ID, when activated, that these old functions can no longer be accessed.
But fortunately, as always, Microsoft has blacklisted the entire setup name.
For example, if you rename the installer from StartAllBack.. .exe to sab.exe, the installation will start normally again.
It works the same way with ExplorerPatcher.

It may well be that other programs make it onto the list of blocked programs.
Microsoft still has time to fill the list until the general start of Windows 11 24H2 / Windows 12 24H2 in September 2024.

Kees · Apr 15, 2024

Wolfzz said:
Just Now Words from the developer Tihiy

So far we've agreed with MS to disable classic taskbar on 24H2 by default for now.

And exactly the (classic) taskbar is what I was mainly using via StartAllBack.
The start menu it is offering can be done by other apps as well (Start11, OpenShell).
In Start11 a smaller taskbar and coloring the taskbar background are possible too.
That were the main things I was unsatisfied about since upgrading to Windows 11, other things like larger clock and easy sound mixing can be solved by other apps.

hdmi · Apr 15, 2024

Kees said:
In Start11 a smaller taskbar and coloring the taskbar background are possible too.

AFAIK setting the height of the taskbar to Small in Start11 v2 still doesn't make it as small as when you use ExplorerPatcher to bring back the Windows 10 taskbar and, next, you change the Windows 10 taskbar to just a single row. No matter how hard I try, the Windows 10 taskbar is the only viable option on a 55 inch screen or larger, using 3840×2160 display resolution with the Scale set to 150% in Windows Settings | System | Display. Maybe if I wore glasses the thickness of weck jar lids it could work.

P.S., the height of my taskbar is just 46 pixels.

glasskuter · Apr 15, 2024

The only time I ever used a start menu replacement was with Windows 8. When 11 came out I paid $5 to turn that old Start8 license into a Start 11 license but I've never used it. I figured after the Windows 8 fiasco, I could deal with whatever MS wanted to throw at me. No one has bitched and griped more than me when Windows changed something in ways I didn't like or wasn't familiar with.
But as I aged, I've realized letting something MS does raise my blood pressure is not worth it. Yes, I still bitch and gripe, but in the end, I've found that adapting is no more than a learning curve. Adapting sure beats the hell out of working myself up so much I end up in an early grave.
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