Planning A New Build in late January.

Lance1 · Mar 29, 2024

Scannerman said:
I'm happy for your success. Being a a seasoned builder/enthusiast kinda/sorta guy with a history of trials and errors, successes and disasters, I am wondering to what extent this change in your UEFI (BIOS) will impact the other features of your board. I don't recall whether you purchased WD NVMe Gen3 or Gen4 but there is a possibility that you will not be enjoying the benefits of Gen4 on any of your PCIe by manually employing Gen3 on your system board. Admittedly, I've never done a build with a vertical mounted GFX card and you certainly have my attention. I'm aware of the fact that this option has been in existence for some time now. No one I have built a PC for has asked me for this and apart from aesthetics I can't think of any practical reason for doing so. Again, user preference prevails.

Just for kicks I'd try switching back to 'auto' just to see if it works with the auto feature on now that the third party software has been activated in that regard. Sometimes some of these apps need a kick start to get them going. Of course, if you have no use for any of the Gen4 features this isn't necessary. Your build is future proofed and as time marches on you'll likely be wanting to use those Gen4 features in your PCIe. My understanding is that you're also using Gen4 RAM but your board can also run DDR5? (Just some thoughts.) Thanks again, for sharing.

OK! It's dinner here so tomorrow I'll reset to gen 4. Or maybe later tonight. Check my specs I have DDR5.

Scannerman · Mar 29, 2024

Lance1 said:
OK! It's dinner here so tomorrow I'll reset to gen 4. Or maybe later tonight. Check my specs I have DDR5.

Yes. I was quite sure that you did. No need to check. There is a chance that you may need to get a new riser cable for that or, just go with the traditional install. Myself, I'd stay with the original because I like free access to all my slots and I tend to keep them fully populated. I'm still not convinced that vertical mounts provide better airflow. (Still looking for those USB4 cards on the market too, but so far I've only found Thunderbolt which is not the same thing.)

Lance1 · Mar 29, 2024

Scannerman said:
Yes. I was quite sure that you did. No need to check. There is a chance that you may need to get a new riser cable for that or, just go with the traditional install. Myself, I'd stay with the original because I like free access to all my slots and I tend to keep them fully populated. I'm still not convinced that vertical mounts provide better airflow. (Still looking for those USB4 cards on the market too, but so far I've only found Thunderbolt which is not the same thing.)

I jumped into the BIOS and made the change to gen 4 and lost my fan control. I went back and changed to gen 3 and I have control. "As previously mentioned my vertical riser is gen 3" I have no uses for the other PCIe slots at this time. I like my system the way it is right now. If the future calls for a change then I'll make that change. But for now I'm happy! "Cable Management Coming Soon" Maybe... On a side note... The GPU being vertical leaves less stress on the PCIe slot as well the contacts on the GPU. I'm sure you know this. Also there is nothing that proves you get better air flow at vertical then horizontal. It's just all about vanity... And we are all guilty of that. No denying. I love looking at my system through the clear glass. As a true geek I am enamored...

Thanks Ghot...

Scannerman · Mar 31, 2024

Lance1 said:
I jumped into the BIOS and made the change to gen 4 and lost my fan control. I went back and changed to gen 3 and I have control. "As previously mentioned my vertical riser is gen 3" I have no uses for the other PCIe slots at this time. I like my system the way it is right now. If the future calls for a change then I'll make that change. But for now I'm happy! "Cable Management Coming Soon" Maybe... On a side note... The GPU being vertical leaves less stress on the PCIe slot as well the contacts on the GPU. I'm sure you know this. Also there is nothing that proves you get better air flow at vertical then horizontal. It's just all about vanity... And we are all guilty of that. No denying. I love looking at my system through the clear glass. As a true geek I am enamored...

Thanks Ghot...

Stop jumping into that BIOS and simply gently access your UEFI.

Meh, it was worth a try anyway. Again: User preference. If you're happy with it as it is then that's all that counts. I stated that a considerable number of posts previously on this thread. Not all system boards work the same with NVMe either. I'm just wondering if your NVMe is running at Gen3 speeds or Gen4 speeds due to that change. It could be an entire non-issue but it wouldn't hurt to check. Yup. I know all about the stress argument. I've yet to see a system board suffer from the weight of a graphics card but I'm not suggesting it isn't possible. Some of those "cards" can get pretty hefty. My 1070 doesn't need support but I do have a Deep Cool support on the Nitro+. Vanity indeed, my Nitro+ would look pretty sucky if I were to place it any differently so I'm with you on that too. I'm not big on RGB but I do like blue. As long as it isn't strobing, or pulsing, or flickering I'm fine with it. When I walk downstairs with coffee in hand I have to say that I like what I see before my focus shifts to my monitor.

:::sigh::: So sad I have to tear it apart just to get Windows 11 Pro to work on the thing. :crys:

Lance1 · Mar 31, 2024

Scannerman said:
Stop jumping into that BIOS and simply gently access your UEFI. Meh, it was worth a try anyway. Again: User preference. If you're happy with it as it is then that's all that counts. I stated that a considerable number of posts previously on this thread. Not all system boards work the same with NVMe either. I'm just wondering if your NVMe is running at Gen3 speeds or Gen4 speeds due to that change. It could be an entire non-issue but it wouldn't hurt to check. Yup. I know all about the stress argument. I've yet to see a system board suffer from the weight of a graphics card but I'm not suggesting it isn't possible. Some of those "cards" can get pretty hefty. My 1070 doesn't need support but I do have a Deep Cool support on the Nitro+. Vanity indeed, my Nitro+ would look pretty sucky if I were to place it any differently so I'm with you on that too. I'm not big on RGB but I do like blue. As long as it isn't strobing, or pulsing, or flickering I'm fine with it. When I walk downstairs with coffee in hand I have to say that I like what I see before my focus shifts to my monitor.

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:::sigh::: So sad I have to tear it apart just to get Windows 11 Pro to work on the thing.

Interesting point. I didn't occur to me that making a change to my PCIe would affect my NVME. Now I have to jump O I mean "Gently Access My UEFI"... I'm back and I just did that. Under NVME Configuration it didn't stat the gen. Buy tearing your rig apart you mean to add hardware upgrades?

Scannerman · Mar 31, 2024

Lance1 said:
Interesting point. I didn't occur to me that making a change to my PCIe would affect my NVME. Now I have to jump O I mean "Gently Access My UEFI"... I'm back and I just did that. Under NVME Configuration it didn't stat the gen. Buy tearing your rig apart you mean to add hardware upgrades?

I'm so glad you have a sense of humor, Lance. (Some people are sooo sensitive.) My issue is that in order to install another operating system on my OS I have to remove my Windows 10 Home edition from the unit. I want to install Windows 11 Pro but the installation wants to rob the key from my Win 10 and give me 11 Home edition instead. To safely and effectively avoid this (and still keep my original installation of Win 10) I have to remove the NVMe from the unit, which means I have to remove the GFX card, which means I have to remove the entire unit from my desk, carry it onto my work bench, remove the glass, and dig in. While I'm at it I may as well clean the dust out of it (and sadly, I have a very dusty basement) remove all the cards and clean them individually, clean and re-paste the Wraith cooler (as it also has accumulated that fine dust) and swap out the NVMe for some better GEN4 NVMe. The Corsair NVMe I'm currently using in that build is garbage. I'll be replacing it with WD BLACK SN770, which, although somewhat dated, is a vast improvement from what is in there right now. While I'm at it I'm going to try to find a way to tuck those messy looking breakout cables that run to my HBA card. (I'm still debating removing that RAID array altogether.)

I considered purchasing a 5800x chip but I have to confess that after these past couple of decades or so of using both AMD and Intel that I likely won't be purchasing anymore AMD CPUs for personal use. My experience has been that Intel tends to be slightly more stable and generates less BSOD and headaches than AMD. That isn't to say that I don't like my little HERO build. I had the chip running @ 4.4 GHz stable but due to thermal issues I can only get it to do 4.2 GHz now. For an old codger like myself that's fast enough anyway, but you likely know how it is: once the case is open and you're already pulling hardware... Anyway, it's time to go carve the turkey. Take care, my friend. I wish you and yours the very best.

SIW2 · Mar 31, 2024

I want to install Windows 11 Pro but the installation wants to rob the key from my Win 10 and give me 11 Home edition instead

Perhaps that can be avoided with little text files, ei.cfg and pid.txt

ei.cfg

Code:

[EditionID]
Professional
[Channel]
OEM
[VL]
0

pid.txt

Code:

[PID]
Value=VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T

Put them in the \sources folder of the installation media.

Lance1 · Mar 31, 2024

Scannerman said:
I'm so glad you have a sense of humor, Lance. (Some people are sooo sensitive.) My issue is that in order to install another operating system on my OS I have to remove my Windows 10 Home edition from the unit. I want to install Windows 11 Pro but the installation wants to rob the key from my Win 10 and give me 11 Home edition instead. To safely and effectively avoid this (and still keep my original installation of Win 10) I have to remove the NVMe from the unit, which means I have to remove the GFX card, which means I have to remove the entire unit from my desk, carry it onto my work bench, remove the glass, and dig in. While I'm at it I may as well clean the dust out of it (and sadly, I have a very dusty basement) remove all the cards and clean them individually, clean and re-paste the Wraith cooler (as it also has accumulated that fine dust) and swap out the NVMe for some better GEN4 NVMe. The Corsair NVMe I'm currently using in that build is garbage. I'll be replacing it with WD BLACK SN770, which, although somewhat dated, is a vast improvement from what is in there right now. While I'm at it I'm going to try to find a way to tuck those messy looking breakout cables that run to my HBA card. (I'm still debating removing that RAID array altogether.)

I considered purchasing a 5800x chip but I have to confess that after these past couple of decades or so of using both AMD and Intel that I likely won't be purchasing anymore AMD CPUs for personal use. My experience has been that Intel tends to be slightly more stable and generates less BSOD and headaches than AMD. That isn't to say that I don't like my little HERO build. I had the chip running @ 4.4 GHz stable but due to thermal issues I can only get it to do 4.2 GHz now. For an old codger like myself that's fast enough anyway, but you likely know how it is: once the case is open and you're already pulling hardware... Anyway, it's time to go carve the turkey. Take care, my friend. I wish you and yours the very best.

You need to get Windows 11 Pro installed I get It. So what you need to do is a clean install of Win 11 Pro. So your stuck with no install key. Here's your solution... Windows 11 Pro OEM KEY Stop screwing around and purchase the key. You need a Windows 11 Pro key to do what you want. Start a clean install and have everything just work. It's allot of work but It's well worth it. Just Do It...

Lance1 · Mar 31, 2024

SIW2 said:
Perhaps that can be avoided with little text files, ei.cfg and pid.txt

ei.cfg

Code:

[EditionID] Professional [Channel] OEM [VL] 0

pid.txt

Code:

[PID] Value=VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T

Put them in the \sources folder of the installation media.

That's a generic keys. You'll have to activate your system with your own legit 25 character key as this will not solve the issue.

Lance1 · Mar 31, 2024

Scannerman said:
Take care, my friend. I wish you and yours the very best.

You as well friend. Please take my advice from my post 368.

pparks1 · Apr 1, 2024

Scannerman said:
I considered purchasing a 5800x chip but I have to confess that after these past couple of decades or so of using both AMD and Intel that I likely won't be purchasing anymore AMD CPUs for personal use. My experience has been that Intel tends to be slightly more stable and generates less BSOD and headaches than AMD.

My Ryzen 5900x, on an x570 rog strix e gaming board has had exactly 1 blue screen in 3 years and 3 months. Stable as a rock. Part of reason I haven't changed away from windows 10 on it.

no overstocks on my cpu and my evga rtx 3080 ftw3 ultra is running with a slight undervolt which helped to substantially lower my heat and my power consumption.

Scannerman · Apr 1, 2024

pparks1 said:
My Ryzen 5900x, on an x570 rog strix e gaming board has had exactly 1 blue screen in 3 years and 3 months. Stable as a rock. Part of reason I haven't changed away from windows 10 on it.

no overstocks on my cpu and my evga rtx 3080 ftw3 ultra is running with a slight undervolt which helped to substantially lower my heat and my power consumption.

To be fair I don't know that I've ever had a BSOD on my X570 build except for when I attempted to upgrade to Win 11. Based on my experience X570 is a solid platform. I've made many AMD builds over the years and admittedly they do seem to be improving in their Ryzen line. Thread Ripper is another matter from what I can determine, but I've managed to get by this long without a Thread Ripper build so I've no motivation to get one. The HERO was just a recreational build because I never built myself a gaming rig before so it was a bucket list thing. After building so many for others I thought I'd build one for myself. Nothing too fancy, just a gaming rig.

I still blew it. I added an RAID card and returned to my former ways. Once a RAID lover always a RAID lover, I suppose. At any rate I will rebuild it and decide what to do with it at that point. I'm quite content with my X99 build so I'm in no rush.

Lance1 · Apr 1, 2024

Scannerman said:
After building so many for others I thought I'd build one for myself. Nothing too fancy, just a gaming rig.

I still blew it. I added an RAID card and returned to my former ways. Once a RAID lover always a RAID lover, I suppose. At any rate I will rebuild it and decide what to do with it at that point. I'm quite content with my X99 build so I'm in no rush.

Yes building for others is satisfying to an extent. But when you build for yourself! It's so much more. You still didn't take my advice from my post #368

Scannerman · Apr 1, 2024

Lance1 said:
Yes building for others is satisfying to an extent. But when you build for yourself! It's so much more. You still didn't take my advice from my post #368

Oh.. That. Well, you see, the thing is, even with an OEM key handy it tries to do this. Methinks I need to do what SIW2 suggested. The process is automatic and it immediately starts reaching for my Win 10 Home edition key to tell me it isn't valid. Good thing. I don't want it to mess with my Win 10 as I plan on dual booting the build anyway. I want to change out the NVMe and do the bibiffy thing to get RAID 0 working in Gen4 proper. I may need to add drivers to this during the installation because AMD. Intel, on the other hand, makes the process so much easier. One more reason to stick with Intel, I suppose.

Scannerman · Apr 4, 2024

Since this is only post #375 (and we need to keep Lance's thread alive) I thought I'd share.
Just pulled the trigger on these for my bed room speakers that I want to marry to lowly Acer desk top.
I'll be replacing my Logitechs with something of better quality, I hope.

Amazon.ca

Lance1 · Apr 4, 2024

Scannerman said:
Since this is only post #375 (and we need to keep Lance's thread alive) I thought I'd share.
Just pulled the trigger on these for my bed room speakers that I want to marry to lowly Acer desk top.
I'll be replacing my Logitechs with something of better quality, I hope.

Amazon.ca

Post #375. OMG. I think this is the longest running post's I have had. But to your link. That's not for me. If I'm going to listen to anything it's going to be on my Corsair Void RGB Elite Wireless Headset See the price? $158.98 I got mine at a garage sale in an "Unopened Box" for $25.00!! They had no idea what it was worth. Apparently it was from one of there kids that didn't want it. I have amazing sound. And the real kicker is! I don't irritate the wife with my music or videos. Peace in the house... The iCUE has a bult in Audio Equalizer that enables me to fine tune and control what I hear in my headset. Again... "Peace in the house". Yours may break the windows. But mine is dead silent. If you know what I mean. O! And Thankyou. You continually ad to my post. I loved building my PC. Maybe it will encourage others to build their own. If you have thought abought building your first PC I encourage you to build it. Research and knowledge is the secret!

Lance1 · Apr 4, 2024

I thought I would add a separate post to say thanks to all the other participants that added to my post... You know who you are. So Thankyou. I think I can't go any further with this build. I think I'm at my max for this build. It's pretty isn't it?

Ghot · Apr 5, 2024

Lance1 said:
It's pretty isn't it?

It would look so cool, with a Bonsai tree in there. ^^
And maybe a water fall behind it.

Amazon has everything... waterfall + Bonsai tree? No problem...

Bonsai + Waterfall

Scannerman · Apr 5, 2024

Ghot said:
It would look so cool, with a Bonsai tree in there. ^^
And maybe a water fall behind it.

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Amazon has everything... waterfall + Bonsai tree? No problem...

Bonsai + Waterfall

Nope. Needs better cable management. A 90 degree elbow on the main power would make it look even tidier. And I wanna know...

What happened to the kitchen sink???

Every PC needs a kitchen sink. *tsk* *tsk*

Scannerman · Apr 5, 2024

Lance1 said:
Post #375. OMG. I think this is the longest running post's I have had. But to your link. That's not for me. If I'm going to listen to anything it's going to be on my Corsair Void RGB Elite Wireless Headset See the price? $158.98 I got mine at a garage sale in an "Unopened Box" for $25.00!! They had no idea what it was worth. Apparently it was from one of there kids that didn't want it. I have amazing sound. And the real kicker is! I don't irritate the wife with my music or videos. Peace in the house... The iCUE has a bult in Audio Equalizer that enables me to fine tune and control what I hear in my headset. Again... "Peace in the house". Yours may break the windows. But mine is dead silent. If you know what I mean. O! And Thankyou. You continually ad to my post. I loved building my PC. Maybe it will encourage others to build their own. If you have thought abought building your first PC I encourage you to build it. Research and knowledge is the secret!

This is a very casual, sometimes humorous, laid back discussion surrounding a PC build. I liken it to 4 guys standing around in a garage, beers in hand, discussing the best way to build a performance vehicle. You've done a swell job and I'm certain others can learn from this thread too. I found it very entertaining. Speaking of which...

I can't wear headphones for extended periods of time, but the reason I selected this set of monitor speakers is because it provides me the option of plugging in a pair. I'm an audiophile with very particular taste but a champagne taste on a beer budget can be futile at the best of times. Not even complaining — just explaining. I know these speakers won't provide the flat curve that the B&W 801's give me but for computer speakers they are close enough. These are not rock & roll speakers and although I might be able to rattle some windows with them they weren't purchased for that purpose. I like a clean, crisp, natural, organic sound. Again, it's a user preference thang.

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