Solved slow computer boot up

spapakons · Aug 30, 2024

Yes one should be OK, make that two to make you feel better. 8 is certainly too much and a waste of time. As I already said, if there is any issue it will be detected from the first circle. A false negative is very rare, never seen one, unless the RAM is about to fail, it passes the first circle but fails eventually. This is very very rare.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

spapakons said:
Yes one should be OK, make that two to make you feel better. 8 is certainly too much and a waste of time. As I already said, if there is any issue it will be detected from the first circle. A false negative is very rare, never seen one, unless the RAM is about to fail, it passes the first circle but fails eventually. This is very very rare.

okay then

@zbooks ive gotten the drive, i will do a test once im avaliable and maybe if i see any crashes.

do you still need the v2 log data again?

zbook · Aug 30, 2024

In the thread you had reported that you had performed the many power offs.

So you're set.

I'll sign off.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

zbook said:
In the thread you had reported that you had performed the many power offs.

So you're set.

I'll sign off.

oh are you leaving? alright then, thank you zbook! can i report back here if the crashes still seem to persist?

zbook · Aug 30, 2024

Sure.

Uninstall and reinstall the application(s) that led to the power offs,

spapakons · Aug 30, 2024

Test RAM and disk to find out if it is a hardware issue. If both pass, then it is most likely a software issue. Meanwhile, have you blown dust externally using an air spray or blower? Overheating can cause issues. If you did, check temperatures with a utility such as Speccy or Aida64. Post a screenshot so we can judge if they are high enough to cause trouble. If they are, you may also need to replace the dry thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink with fresh. Ask for professional service, don't open the case yourself.

Then we must check for software issues. Disable most startup applications (right-click on taskbar, select Task Manager and then go to the Startup section). Restart your computer. If the issues persist, use a utility such as Superantispyware to check for malware. Do a full system scan and remove all results found. If it finds too many, over 500, then restart the computer and use a second utility such as Malwarebytes Antimalware and do a full system scan to find anything not detected by the first. Remove all results. Then report back here for more help.

PS: I have seen malware detecting the scanner and killing the process (close the application). In that case you must do the full system scan in Safe Mode. Hold the SHIFT key and restart the computer. Keep holding it until you see a screen saying to Troubleshoot and other options. Select Troubleshoot and then select Advanced Startup Options. Computer will restart and present you a list of startup options. Select Safe Mode. If you need internet access to update the malware database, select Safe Mode with network instead.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

spapakons said:
Test RAM and disk to find out if it is a hardware issue. If both pass, then it is most likely a software issue. Meanwhile, have you blown dust externally using an air spray or blower? Overheating can cause issues. If you did, check temperatures with a utility such as Speccy or Aida64. Post a screenshot so we can judge if they are high enough to cause trouble. If they are, you may also need to replace the dry thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink with fresh. Ask for professional service, don't open the case yourself.

Then we must check for software issues. Disable most startup applications (right-click on taskbar, select Task Manager and then go to the Startup section). Restart your computer. If the issues persist, use a utility such as Superantispyware to check for malware. Do a full system scan and remove all results found. If it finds too many, over 500, then restart the computer and use a second utility such as Malwarebytes Antimalware and do a full system scan to find anything not detected by the first. Remove all results. Then report back here for more help.

PS: I have seen malware detecting the scanner and killing the process (close the application). In that case you must do the full system scan in Safe Mode. Hold the SHIFT key and restart the computer. Keep holding it until you see a screen saying to Troubleshoot and other options. Select Troubleshoot and then select Advanced Startup Options. Computer will restart and present you a list of startup options. Select Safe Mode. If you need internet access to update the malware database, select Safe Mode with network instead.

hey, ive done disks check before and ill get to the ram test when i do have the time for it. yes i have blown dusted it and the airlfow has helped GREATLY! undervolted it as well, temperatures have gone down immensely after blow dustinng, undervolting, and editing the power plan. now my cpu reaches ~ 50-60 when i play val and the gpu doesnt pass 50, compared to the 70-80 on my cpu earlier.

i use malware bytes for my antivirus im pretty sure that works well no? i heard it can be used as a first hand antivirus now, and i do have the premium version for 14 days.

i will do a ram test if the crashes still persist, and ill update back here.

thank you so much zbooks and spapakons for all your help, it means alot !

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

Hi, seems like i crashdd again. changed the undervolt down to 90. this is weird becayse stress test for an hour did nothing, but a few mins on val seems to have madd it crash. will run ram test tonight or tomorrow.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

assuming this was a ram error, why does it only crash during gaming? That to this specific game??

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

im trying to reinstall the software again like you said, had forgotten earlier

spapakons · Aug 30, 2024

If it crashes only to that specific game, the installation might be corrupt. Try uninstalling the game and reinstalling it. Also it might be a known issue for that game. See if there is any patch or update for the game at manufacturer's site. If there is a graphics issue newer graphics drivers often contain fixes for games. Update your graphics drivers if anything newer is available. In issue persist, check your RAM. Also check for malware, see our earlier posts.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

spapakons said:
If it crashes only to that specific game, the installation might be corrupt. Try uninstalling the game and reinstalling it. Also it might be a known issue for that game. See if there is any patch or update for the game at manufacturer's site. If there is a graphics issue newer graphics drivers often contain fixes for games. Update your graphics drivers if anything newer is available. In issue persist, check your RAM. Also check for malware, see our earlier posts.

ive done all of that other than the ram, which i definately need to do this night. what a shame if it is the ram, i cant believe its already spoilt even tho its only been 8 months??

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

Faulting application name: RiotClientServices.exe, version: 93.0.1.2007, time stamp: 0xe5d92106
Faulting module name: RiotClientFoundation.dll_unloaded, version: 93.0.1.2007, time stamp: 0xf3cdaf28
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x00630850
Faulting process id: 0x0x3398
Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DAFAB5083F8C91
Faulting application path: C:\Riot Games\Riot Client\RiotClientServices.exe
Faulting module path: RiotClientFoundation.dll
Report Id: 7cc4d191-be49-40ce-aec0-18506ad43ad7
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

what could i do about this?

also yikes... i have a bunch of errors and warnings in event viewer

glasskuter · Aug 30, 2024

You have the 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13950HX. Guys, isn't this one that's involved in all the mess between the manufacturers and Intel about overheating so the manufacturers are having to release new UEFI bios updates? I have not read the entire thread but thought I'd mention it if someone else hasn't. One of many articles out there, Intel offers new guidance on 13th and 14th Gen CPU instability — but no definitive fix yet

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

glasskuter said:
You have the 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13950HX. Guys, isn't this one that's involved in all the mess between the manufacturers and Intel about overheating so the manufacturers are having to release new UEFI bios updates? I have not read the entire thread but thought I'd mention it if someone else hasn't. One of many articles out there, Intel offers new guidance on 13th and 14th Gen CPU instability — but no definitive fix yet

i think ive been told to update it before, but the bios seemed to line up, still unsure tho. and i really think this might be a ram problem or something, because now even despite the lower temps ive been seeming to crash

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

im gonna try to run memtester now to see if theres anything up there

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

quite stuck in my bios, unsure how to run memtester from here

spapakons · Aug 30, 2024

I would upgrade BIOS with a Beta version (if available) if there is no newer standard version. I have done it on older systems and improved compatibility. Also have you uninstalled the game and reinstalled? This will fix a corrupt installation.

zqchri · Aug 30, 2024

spapakons said:
I would upgrade BIOS with a Beta version (if available) if there is no newer standard version. I have done it on older systems and improved compatibility. Also have you uninstalled the game and reinstalled? This will fix a corrupt installation.

yes i have, unsure uf that worked tho

spapakons · Aug 30, 2024

zqchri said:
quite stuck in my bios, unsure how to run memtester from here

If you have created either a USB flash drive from Memtest for Windows tool containing Memtest only or a USB flash drive with rufus from Strelec's ISO, then switch off your computer and connect the USB. Switch on again and quickly press F12 (confirm with MSI motherboard User Guide) before Windows load to stop the default boot sequence and see a list of devices. Find your USB by its name (such as Kingston... or Sandisk... or whatever). Use the arrow keys to hightlight the device and press ENTER to start from there.

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