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spapakons said:

I didn't said all old games were good and all new games are crap. Just that older games should have good gameplay to sell because they could not attract players with their limited graphics and sound. Today there are good games of course but most rely on visuals without caring for game play anymore. As usual you misunderstood my post. Also I don't think Linux is crap, just not a match for Windows and not as easy to use as you claim.

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Actually you DID and still DO - even making contradictory statements ("there are good games ofc - but most reply on visuals without caring for game play anymore"). A Good game is still mainly defined by Great Gameplay (what draws gamers and keeps them hooked - even 8 or up-to 16 hours a day), good story-line (what keeps a mature audience hooked longer) - while graphics are more or less relevant depending on who you're asking. You have this think for making "GENERAL STATEMENTS" - while relying only your own personal experience (Egocentrism refers to someone's inability to understand that another person's view or opinion may be different than their own. Egocentrism represents a cognitive bias, in that someone would assume that others share the same perspective as they do, unable to imagine that other people would have a perception of their own.).

Even tho, all it takes is a simple Google search - which can reveal Gaming related statistics - such as:


Roblox aside (since that's played by a very young audience) - this are the top games successful mainly because of game-play. Apex Legends is the only game with modern graphics on that list - and that's 8th place. 3rd place for example, looks like this:




By comparison... Greece 2024 population is estimated at 10,047,817 (but hey let's say 11 million). The Worldwide population of gamers playing Minecraft on a monthly basis - is 15x larger than the population of Greece. And around 2.4 larger on a daily basis. And this game has Horrid graphics - even by late 90s standards:


Which proved that the main attraction is game-play and the multiple way of playing it:

Then there's this HUMONGOUS list of indie games (small dev team - even just 1 dev in many cases), where many look as if they're made for Nintendo or PlayStation 1/2. Ofc, they sell - only if actually entertaining:


Not my type of games (maybe some are), but i can understand that different people have different tastes. As do I.

And then... there's the current UBISOFT scandal regarding their latest game "Star Wars Outlaw". It's a triple A title with a budget of at least 200 million $ (some say close to 300 millions $) - so the visuals were a main focus, but same can't be said about the game-play and overall state of the game. If there was any truth in your theory "they'd love it" and yet "as reality goes to prove" - gamers hate it! And they even bribed streamers and influences to focus only on the positive - while taking about it:


Which reflects in sales, while Ubisoft's current CEO - has the audacity to blame the Gamers for this development fiasco:

"In today’s challenging market and with gamers expecting extraordinary experiences, delivering solid quality is no longer enough.

- Yves Guillemot "

So no, visuals alone ARE FAR FROM ENOUGH:



That part hasn't changed (same as it always was). Individuals who buy high end systems with RTX 4090 - then run a benchmark or buy a game just to walk around for couple of minutes on highest settings and record that - while expecting to be praised on social media platforms "are not gamers". This are simply people who struggle with a very low self esteem - and use their money to purchase expensive products - to boast and gain some self-esteem points in return. Those are the only people - who care only about visuals. Same as individuals who buy a Ferrari - just to drive it around the city - and someone using them as example while claiming - there's no people who passionate about cars or driving anymore - that it's all about expensive cars this days.

PS. Done explaining since "clearly" we're not getting anywhere. You do you mate. Good health & Time is the most valuable currency - we all have in this world, and i definitely wasted way more than i was whiling to in this topic.

It is not use arguing with you. You interpret what I say as you like. Read carefully. Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that Linux is not ready for everyone yet. Otherwise it would already have a larger user base. Good news spread fast.

I would argue that not everyone is ready for Linux yet. And never will be. Linux is ready for any challenges. It's mature and making big progress leaps as we speak. More and more companies are investing more and more time and money into Linux, both servers and workstations plus software.

Valve and Arch just announced that they'll be working together for a better Linux for gamers and overall Linux experience. This is huge. Ofc. Valve has its own agenda, since SteamOS is Arch based software. But nevertheless, Linux is getting a lot of love as of lately.

Not to mention we have way too many variants of Linux to really appeal to the masses. Seriously, which distro would be the one? Linux on the desktop isn't the measure of success in my opinion.

In it's core, Linux is Linux, even Android is Linux. But it's a VM built on top of the Linux kernel. The core works the same way nevertheless even if the kernel is heavily modified to suit mobile use better.

It is true we have many different Linux distributions that like to do things slightly differently, prioritize different software and packages these binaries in different ways. But this doesn't change how the core works.

I learned this a very long time ago, when I was building my own version of distributions from source. I could create a Debian style set or a Redhat style set, or even something completely different. Also I could choose to use the GNU libraries and tools, or completely ignore them and use something else. Using GNU tools helped quite a lot though since they're very mature.

Ubuntu or some other distro should make it at least as easy as Android to use. Then considerably increase support for applications and games. A compatibility layer that would allow you to run Android applications and games on Ubuntu is not a bad idea. Under these circumstances Linux could be a serious threat to Windows and would increase its user base considerably. Then add support for as many devices as possible. If there was a way to convert Windows drivers to Linux drivers or some kind of wrapper that could use Windows drivers directly, it would not be bad either.

spapakons said:

Ubuntu or some other distro should make it at least as easy as Android to use. Then considerably increase support for applications and games. A compatibility layer that would allow you to run Android applications and games on Ubuntu is not a bad idea. Under these circumstances Linux could be a serious threat to Windows and would increase its user base considerably. Then add support for as many devices as possible. If there was a way to convert Windows drivers to Linux drivers or some kind of wrapper that could use Windows drivers directly, it would not be bad either.

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Ubuntu are doing exactly that with snaps. as a program made as a snap contains all the required files to run that program.
be it a Win, OSX, Android, IOS or Linux program the program runs completely from the snap.
it just happens to run that program on top of Linux.

but Ubuntu at this moment seem to be making a dogs dinner of it and for the desktop user it isnt working to well.
one of the main reasons i moved away from Ubuntu after 20 years.

we shall see how they progress but at this time it isnt for me and Win 11 is working OK, for me at least.
hope this is at least of some help, best of luck. Steve ..

XxXxX said:

Ubuntu are doing exactly that with snaps. as a program made as a snap contains all the required files to run that program.
be it a Win, OSX, Android, IOS or Linux program the program runs completely from the snap.
it just happens to run that program on top of Linux.

but Ubuntu at this moment seem to be making a dogs dinner of it and for the desktop user it isnt working to well.
one of the main reasons i moved away from Ubuntu after 20 years.

we shall see how they progress but at this time it isnt for me and Win 11 is working OK, for me at least.
hope this is at least of some help, best of luck. Steve ..

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Things like snap are a nuisance and can eventually get in the way.

Actually for Windows users Linux Mint or Opensuse with KDE desktop are about as "Windows like" as you can get --pretty simple if you want to try those out. Fedora is OK too at least the KDE variation from the Fedora spins web site. Why not test as a VM first - then no probs if it breaks or you don't like it. They are all free so no "activation" or subscriptions required - so you can try as many variations as you like.

Once you get the hang of it you can build your own NAS on really old gear too with minimal bloat -- you don't even need to have a GUI - and just control the whole thing FROM Windows via SSH. Networking in Linux is an absolute doddle these days --works straight OOTB - even Wifi.

I'm not getting into "Is OS A better than OS B" but just want to dispel the idea that Linux is hard / impossible to use for average Windows users. These days it needn't be.

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jimbo

@jimbo45
i agree fully snaps is a pain in the preverbal and does exactly that .. get in the way.
yes there are others MXLinux KDE .. Linux Mint Debian Edition. all very windows like, along with other distro's.

Linux will just keep moving on and the more Microsoft make users jump through hoops the more will at least try Linux.
its also likely that systems builders will have greater options for Linux installed as the requirements to run Windows now is really getting a bit silly.

best of luck, Steve ..

XxXxX said:

@jimbo45
i agree fully snaps is a pain in the preverbal and does exactly that .. get in the way.
yes there are others MXLinux KDE .. Linux Mint Debian Edition. all very windows like, along with other distro's.

Linux will just keep moving on and the more Microsoft make users jump through hoops the more will at least try Linux.
its also likely that systems builders will have greater options for Linux installed as the requirements to run Windows now is really getting a bit silly.

best of luck, Steve ..

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Might be a bit "taxing" for average domestic users but things like "containerisation, docker and kubernetes" have changed the whole enterprise scenario hugely -"containerisation" of specific apps seems to be the way forward for a lot of big Cloud server providers. I just mention that out of interest as it'sreally "over the top" for average users though.

For Windows :


For Linux :


Cheers
jimbo

on the server side containerisation, VM and other security measures have been a game changer if used correctly.
on the desktop side not needed as much for the average user. the average user just wants it to work.

i do believe that the more Microsoft push these 'security' measures for the average users to the point that the systems that they all ready have are unusable then users will look at something else as a vast majority of the user base are not loaded with all this extra cash that Microsoft seems to think they have got or are willing to spend just to use their computer, which ever type of computer they are using.

24H2 is going to make things interesting to watch ..

spapakons said:

or some kind of wrapper that could use Windows drivers directly,

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Do you mean Windows Sucksystem for Linux?

Gotta Love the Present Time Irony - where, as usual (since this happened so often - that Windows having all kinds of issues after an update - "is deemed as the most normal thing in the Windows Ecosystem") - Windows Updates still brake more than they fix. And yet Microsoft "having such a Huge Monopoly (they would probably have to loose around 400 million users - to be visibly concerned - so they still afford not to care)" - keeps trying to force its users to move to Latest Unstable Windows Build - just because it's promoting some new features they're trying to sell (Copilot & Co. - in this particular case). No wonder - Windows 10 still has 62.75% Market Share (used to be 70% last year) - 3 years after Win 11 was released - despite all the Marketing News Pressure about its EOL reaching 2025.

No wonder millions - actually switched to one of the many Linux distributions this year - since not everyone needs specific Windows software - or they simply use a slightly older version of a specific software - which works perfectly fine with Wine. Even more than that - it's becoming a trend for Windows software devs - to adopt a subscription based system (so you pay monthly or yearly - if you want to use their software) - which is another thing many users find disgusting. This days - even a freaking back-up software - expects a yearly subscription fee. All it takes is a bit of popularity and it gets to their head - from that point on they see their customers as dairy cattle (to milk for $).

Linux may have a small market share for desktop but it sure has a large share for servers. In my personal life I use Windows for gaming and some software for my drums, but for most of my daily activities such as coding, scripting, pentesting and REM I'm on a Linux distro. For work I'm using both Windows and Linux quite a bit.

Personally I think Linux runs better (no it's not really more secure by default than Windows), but there are certainly times when you can be spending way to much time fixing something stupid like your keyboard backlight not working.

If anyone is interested in learning Linux I recommend the LPIC-1 cert or at least dive into their free resources to learn

well .. so it starts.
my Dell laptop i5 7200u .. 16GB DDR4 .. 250GB SSD.
wont update to Win 11 24H2 the CPU is not supported.
thats with a Rufus made USB .. so, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is now on the laptop.
Ubuntu 22.04 LTS has 10 years of support with Ubuntu pro.
the game begins, best of luck. Steve ..

hdmi said:

Do you mean Windows Sucksystem for Linux?

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You don't like WSL? I find it extremely helpful in my day to day work tasks. I use it all of the time.

On my laptop I have Windows 11 (latest official, sorry for not updating in system specs) and Linux Mint (latest). I tend to run mostly Mint on there. On my desktop I have Windows 11 only (also official release)...but that computer my kids mostly sit and play games on as it's performant enough, so it's lappy for me.

I gave up on installing dev builds of Win 11 when the IP started to get a bit confusing and there was nothing new of value to me they offered in latest builds. I also had the issue that latest IP doesn't even run on my computer.

Not sure why and don't really care either. I've tried everything...was probably some temporary AMD related glitch in the matrix which probably is fixed by now. But it's too late for that now. Once official Win 11 stops working (major upgrade) on my laptop I wipe the Windows partition and expand my Linux partition and live happily ever after.

pparks1 said:

You don't like WSL? I find it extremely helpful in my day to day work tasks. I use it all of the time.

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Yeah WSL is nice and very useful. I also use it quite a lot when on Windows. Mostly for testing Linux builds of apps.

XxXxX said:

well .. so it starts.
my Dell laptop i5 7200u .. 16GB DDR4 .. 250GB SSD.
wont update to Win 11 24H2 the CPU is not supported.
thats with a Rufus made USB .. so, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is now on the laptop.
Ubuntu 22.04 LTS has 10 years of support with Ubuntu pro.
the game begins, best of luck. Steve ..

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Would recommend Mint over Ubuntu - especially for older hardware (Ubuntu will support that too - but Mint is better optimized and it shows). Primarily that's what Mint is know for - a cleaner, better optimized - brushed version of Ubuntu. Some of the Cons for Mint - are opposite to Ubuntu - which can run even on funky hardware (supports even IBM architectures - while Mint supports only commonly used mainstream architecture i386 and x86_64). On modern machines (high on resources at least) - it's less apparent, but if you use Ubuntu for awhile and then switch to Linux Mint on older systems - you notice it's more responsive (a smoother experience). Mint has a LTS version too:

Moral is to Ms and others -- don't kill "The Golden Goose" or you'll regret it.

If you can get hold of a copy or watch this -- you'll know exactly what I mean.


Cheers
jimbo