Windows 12 ! Already....

I guess that you have a compliant Windows 11 installation. If you set the BIOS settings for Linux and then bypass compatibility check and install Windows 11 again, you shouldn't need to change anything to boot to Windows 11. Don't worry about features and security. It should not be affected since your system is compliant.

My guess is that the Windows 11 installation on my work station is not compliant. It only has TPM1.2. Although I had to follow some extensive instruction on the Microsoft page in order to install Windows 11 on this PC, apart from this, Microsoft still concluded with their caveat advising that this method was not recommended. So, I took a chance and followed their instruction anyway. My reason for this is that in many regards Windows 11 was an improvement from Windows 10. Alas, the mandatory TPM2 requirement pretty much ruins that view. The consequences were significant: The IRST soft raid interface (with the green text) simply vanished, my Linux GRUB boot page disappeared, driver support for TBT ceased to exist, among half a dozen other things. I managed to rescue some of them, but not all of them, and likely not without some measure of sacrifice. I'm thinking it might be better for me to embark on solving those other issues this winter. I'm surprised that some people are saying that turbo boost technology works with Windows 11. It certainly won't on my workstation, but it still works with Windows 7 so I'm leaving it alone. When I get around to repairing these issues my first endeavour will be getting Linux back again. If a floating task bar is the best Microsoft can do for their main feature in Windows 12 I'll just keep what I have and familiarize myself more with Linux.

Well I don't play demanding games to check if Turbo Boost is enabled automatically. However, if you enable the Ultimate Performance Power Plan and set it as default, then Turbo Boost is forced on whether the computer is idle or playing a demanding game. This can be confirmed with a utility such as Aida64. If you go at overclock section you see that the CPU is running at the maximum frequency, the Turbo Boost frequency, not the base frequency. There is a special command you type in Command Prompt as Administrator to enable the Ultimate Performance Power Plan which is hidden. This is discussed in another thread or you can Google it.

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Well I don't play demanding games to check if Turbo Boost is enabled automatically. However, if you enable the Ultimate Performance Power Plan and set it as default, then Turbo Boost is forced on whether the computer is idle or playing a demanding game. This can be confirmed with a utility such as Aida64. If you go at overclock section you see that the CPU is running at the maximum frequency, the Turbo Boost frequency, not the base frequency. There is a special command you type in Command Prompt as Administrator to enable the Ultimate Performance Power Plan which is hidden. This is discussed in another thread or you can Google it.

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The games I play are online and likely not that demanding. I'm just one of those odd people who likes their hardware to work properly and the features to function correctly. I'm quite certain I've tried this procedure before without results. The fact that UEFI sees it in BIOS, and it is active in BIOS, and functions correctly in Windows 7 Ultimate, points the issue directly to the Windows 11 OS. As one of our colleagues here has reminded me, that was the risk I took and this is the price of installing an operating system on a non-compliant platform. I am okay with that as Windows 7 remains my favourite operating system anyway and I am quickly learning that all this "latest greatest" bleeding edge promotion of operating systems in the name of TPM is more the charade than anything else.

Yes, it is a shame that Windows won't offer a "Win 11 Light" version for older PCs that don't employ TPM2 but that's the way it is. The motive behind this negligence should be obvious and I can sum it up in a single word: Profit. I'm not about to shell out 2K$ to replace my system board and another who knows how much for 128 GB of DDR5 system RAM just to be compliant with Windows 11. (And that doesn't even include the new CPU I'll also have to purchase.) As it currently stands Linux is my best recourse.

If there was an official "light" version of Windows 11 with most features disabled (compare Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs or Windows Thin PC), no thanks. I prefer having the standard version with all the features and manually decide which to disable.

"I'll just keep what I have and familiarize myself more with Linux."

You mean this little guy?


This PC is so NON-Compliant with all the MS BS, that it shouldn't even be running, but, it is.
And I have another one just like it, but a little more umph, and it too runs Win-11 just GRRRREAT!
Windows 11/Pro/64 22H2 etc, etc, etc, is running like a jack rabbit on this OLD PC.
I'm ready for Win-12. Bring it on!

MS is like the BORG, "comply or be assimilated. Resistance if futile!"

TM

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If there was an official "light" version of Windows 11 with most features disabled (compare Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs or Windows Thin PC), no thanks. I prefer having the standard version with all the features and manually decide which to disable.

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Again. User preference. If you have a PC that uses TPM2 you're good to go for Win 11; but for those who don't have it it would be convenient to at least have an option that works. Then again, you do make a point given Windows track record with more simplified operating systems. In fact it almost makes one wonder if they can't even get a simple OS put together right how in the world do they manage with providing us with feature packed operating systems that are reliable? Perhaps that Penguin is onto something after all.

Have you seen my first system specs? It is a mere dual core processor and originally had just 1GB RAM and a mechanical 2.5" 5400 HDD running Windows Vista Home Basic! After upgrading to 4FB RAM and SSD it runs Windows 7 or 8.1 or 10 64-bit and now Windows 11. So I suggest anyone to bypass compatibility check and see performance of Windows 11 on their system with their own eyes before deciding to upgrade their computers.

Windows 11 can run on unsupported computers if you bypass compatibility check. The Registry hack was leaked by Microsoft to help advanced users try Windows 11 on their existing computer and make it more tempting to upgrade to an officially compliant system. If they didn't want you to use Windows 11 on unsupported computers they would patch version 22H2 so the old tricks would not work. They just don't admit it in public. Thankfully Microsoft is not Apple that makes your 10 years old computer obsolete to force you buy a new one.

TechnoMage2021 said:

"I'll just keep what I have and familiarize myself more with Linux."

You mean this little guy?
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This PC is so NON-Compliant with all the MS BS, that it shouldn't even be running, but, it is.
And I have another one just like it, but a little more umph, and it too runs Win-11 just GRRRREAT!
Windows 11/Pro/64 22H2 etc, etc, etc, is running like a jack rabbit on this OLD PC.
I'm ready for Win-12. Bring it on!

MS is like the BORG, "comply or be assimilated. Resistance if futile!"

TM

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Actually, I mean this little guy:



lol Magemeister! If your version of Win 11 were any more hacked we'd have to ship you off to Def Con.
Even so, you'll get no argument from me. My daughter thoroughly enjoys her version of Win 11 on her old, genuine BIOS X58 platform.

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Have you seen my first system specs? It is a mere dual core processor and originally had just 1GB RAM and a mechanical 2.5" 5400 HDD running Windows Vista Home Basic! After upgrading to 4FB RAM and SSD it runs Windows 7 or 8.1 or 10 64-bit and now Windows 11. So I suggest anyone to bypass compatibility check and see performance of Windows 11 on their system with their own eyes before deciding to upgrade their computers.

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An old friend of mine made a 1X1X1 PC back in the day. One GB of system RAM, a 1.something GHz CPU, and a 1TB hard drive. I believe it ran Win XP flawlessly. I did read your posts on that and I found them quite entertaining and insightful. Again, I don't dispute that Win 11 can't run on older PCs but for me it still comes at a cost. If I can get my Linux back on multi-boot with it then I'll keep it on my work station. Otherwise it has to go.

brummyfan said:

Yes, I do think as well, very similar to 8 to 8.1 and missing 9 altogether.

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Windows Vista was the best OS ever. . . .. JUST TEASIN .. . I hated Vista

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Windows 11 can run on unsupported computers if you bypass compatibility check. The Registry hack was leaked by Microsoft to help advanced users try Windows 11 on their existing computer and make it more tempting to upgrade to an officially compliant system. If they didn't want you to use Windows 11 on unsupported computers they would patch version 22H2 so the old tricks would not work. They just don't admit it in public. Thankfully Microsoft is not Apple that makes your 10 years old computer obsolete to force you buy a new one.

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Yes, and like the sucker I am I took the bait. I have no real assurance that the same thing wouldn't happen with say, a Rufus installation and I rather doubt that my TBT would suddenly appear as functional in device manager if I reinstalled Windows 11 without the compatibility check. I wouldn't want to have to scramble to get my Intel soft raid interface back again either. Again, you make a valid point: It could be worse. Fortunately, I don't buy Apple products. No, none at all.

JAM83 said:

Windows Vista was the best OS ever. . . .. JUST TEASIN .. . I hated Vista

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I don't think there was any valid reason for Windows to skip 9 . The official reason is pretty lame IMO. VISTA was hell, but after SP 2.5 they had it all sorted out and that was what gave us Windows 7, which, in my honest opinion, was the last real operating system ever issued by Microsoft. The one OS we hardly ever talk about is the Mistake Edition and that was a real nightmare. They should do a remake of 7 and call it Windows 9.

Scannerman said:

I don't think there was any valid reason for Windows to skip 9 . The official reason is pretty lame IMO. VISTA was hell, but after SP 2.5 they had it all sorted out and that was what gave us Windows 7, which, in my honest opinion, was the last real operating system ever issued by Microsoft. The one OS we hardly ever talk about is the Mistake Edition and that was a real nightmare. They should do a remake of 7 and call it Windows 9.

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I liked Windows 7. . I also liked XP too. .

There is already a patch for Windows 98 to see up to 128GB RAM (if I remember right), there is also a kernel extension (kernelex) to run some Windows XP software. With an improved kernelex to run Windows 7 or higher software and drivers for our modern hardware we could still be running Windows 98! They would be blazing fast in modern hardware! I would prefer that to Linux.

JAM83 said:

I liked Windows 7. . I also liked XP too. .

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Windows 95 was problematic but despite all the glitches and BSODs anyone could see that Gates was onto something. Windows 98 was a vast improvement, but the limitations of Fat were peaking by then, even for the standard domestic end user. This is why so many gamers struggled to make Windows NT play games. They all knew NTFS was ultimately a better file format for their purposes. Windows ME (aka Mistake Edition) was a Frankenstein wannabe that tried to combine the best of both worlds and fell flat on its face. Then came XP. Probably the most stable OS Windows ever made. I'm not sure what the limitations of XP were and I was somewhat disappointed to see it reach EOL but by that point I was already into building my own PCs and I was chomping at the bit to free myself from IDE. (Remember those massive ribbon cables?) The one thing I really did like about VISTA was the Windows Movie Maker. I think SP 2.5 killed that, but VISTA was, for all intents and purposes, a disaster. At least something good came out of the VISTA experience and we all have VISTA to thank for the development of Windows 7, a tried and tested, proven operating system that became the world's favourite and no big wonder. Windows 7 was feature packed, offered several different versions that would work on practically any PC (all one needed was to upgrade their memory and provide a modestly sized hard drive) was versatile, flexible, user friendly, and the list goes on and on. Then came the era of tablet operating systems and things got bad. Windows 8 was so unspeakably horrible that Microsoft was compelled to give their clients a free upgrade to Windows 8.1 which, was an improvement, but not nearly the operating system Windows 7 was. People knew this and they held onto their Windows 7 as long as they could. I was one of those people.

For a good majority of us Windows has been a love/hate relationship. We're all hoping for the best but some of us have detected a pattern. Let's go back to Windows 95. It had problems. It was bad. It needed improvement. 98 was good. ME was bad. XP was good. VISTA was bad. WIN 7 was good. WIN 8 was bad. WIN 8.1 was good and maybe it should have been called Windows 9 because it was an entirely different OS and not merely a version of WIN 8. In fact, some have said that the difference between WIN 8 and WIN 8.1 was even greater than the difference between VISTA and WIN 7. Only the shell made it appear similar to Windows 8 and there were ways of modifying this to make it work more like Windows 7. So as we follow this good/bad pattern we come to Windows 10, which upon release, was bad, bad, bad. When one is compelled to eliminate so much of the bloatware, spyware, malware, out of an OS which is in fact part of the OS, one is dealing with a bad OS. Hence the name Windows Key logger edition. (As if Cortana were not enough.) One might also rationally assume that Windows 11 should be a good OS, given this pattern. Well, it would have been if not for the requirements.

For me, the fly in the ointment is TPM but this is only the tip of the iceberg. I apologize for mixing metaphors but Windows is not the only culprit in this Consortium. So I appreciate the fact that Windows made it possible to run Win 11 on older PCs while covering itself by exempting itself from any liability on their own behalf for those enthusiasts who desire to play with it this way. I don't speak legalese and I don't have time for those sorts of games. I've used all the operating systems mentioned here, I have followed this general rule of thumb pattern, and I've concluded that Windows is past their Golden Age. Windows has gone from bad to worse. BUT that is just my opinion.

It would be hard for me to conclude this without making mention of the marriage metaphor. It has been an adventurous marriage, but, as with most marriages, once 20 or so years has gone by, one is inclined to assess whether it is worth keeping. The kids are grown, the bills are paid, and the house could use a little paint. It's been a slice. For me, I can maintain this charade for a little while longer but I've found this new and exciting mistress and she has class. She's not nearly as expensive and she knows how to have a good time. She looks good in black and white and she's not into fake up. She has a wholesome, happy look about her and she's been waiting for me for a long time. If the old woman won't let me keep her then she can go pound sand. Linux appeals to my polygamist personality. The old woman keeps on kicking my girlfriend out the door. If this keeps up I'm going to divorce that witch and many of my friends have done the same.

Scannerman said:

The one thing I really did like about VISTA was the Windows Movie Maker.....

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I still like it....

Bree said:

I still like it....

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where can I get WMM

JAM83 said:

where can I get WMM

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The offline installer wlsetup-all.exe for Microsoft Windows Essentials 2012, of which WMM is a part, can be downloaded from this archived page on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.


The last time I tried installing it was a few years back now on Windows 10, so I cannot guarantee that you can still install it. It's probably best to only try installing WMM. Note that the offline installer would report that the install fails. This is not entirely true, it failed at a point after Movie Maker had been successfully installed. At least that was the case last time I tried.