Windows 12 ! Already....

spapakons · Jul 1, 2023

No need to abandon Windows as long as there are workarounds to bypass compatibility check and install Windows 11 and 12 in any computer. As with every new Windows version, I will test 12 on another computer or virtual machine before upgrading. Remember the pre-release version of Windows 10? All the system icons were VERY ugly and looked like they were drawn by toddlers! After tons of negative feedback thankfully they improved them for the official release. Still they are too flat and colourless for my liking, so I have them all replaced with the respective Windows 7/8.1 icons using Customizer God. Admittedly Windows 11 icons are nicer than 10. I am trying to say, if I see anything weird in Windows 12 I will try to change it before adopting. If there is no way to change, most likely I will stick with Windows 11 as long as I can. If I could not change Windows 10 to look like 7 and restore stuff like Windows 7 start menu, desktop gadgets, Windows Media Center, most likely I would be still running Windows 7 64-bit. As long as we can install a new Windows version in our current system and customise it to our liking, I have no problem using it. Otherwise I would stay with the current version. No Linux for me, I hate its steep learning curve, the need to use command prompt for most tasks and the much smaller hardware and software compatibility compared to Windows. I want to get the maximum performance and compatibility out of my system, so I stick with Windows.

TechnoMage2021 · Jul 1, 2023

There is absolutely NO need to upgrade your PC to Windows 12 when it becomes available.
Just install it to a spare HD or SSD for testing purposes.
I 'tested several versions of Win-11' on spare HD's for months, before ever installing it on any of my Main PC's.
Now it runs on all of my 64 bit PC's. But, only after lots of testing.

Now, as for Refurbished devices: I worked for a company that supplied me, a field service tech, with refurbished circuit boards. They were inspected and scrutinized more carefully than brand new ones. And, they were updated with newer and more reliable parts, where available.
I've also bought refurbished printers, with NO problems, but lower prices. I've always loved, "Lower Prices"!

Cheers Mates!
Happy 4th!
TM

Spunk · Jul 1, 2023

You do not even need a spare HDD to test an OS out. Create a Virtual Machine hosted on your computer like VirualBox and install the OS on that VM. Give it a test run, if you don't like it, you can Delete the VM and not affect your computer.

spapakons · Jul 1, 2023

Either that or install it on another computer you don't care if something goes wrong. For example if you clean install Windows for a friend, install Windows 12 instead to test it. If it goes wrong, just format the disk and install Windows 10/11 as originally planned. Just make sure you have some time to do your tests and familiarize with Windows 12 before returning the computer to your friend.

ICIT2LOL · Jul 1, 2023

spapakons said:
TPM 2.0 is an excuse to replace our PCs. It is not necessary to run Windows 11. Also Windows 10 64-bit can use it but it doesn't demand that you have it. It's all about profit.

Agree with you yet again mate my anti virus software I think s second to none and I do dislike the grab for money they have.

spapakons · Jul 2, 2023

Microsoft had released a "light" version of Windows XP, called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs to persuade companies switching from Windows 98 to XP without replacing their old computers. This version was deliberately limited in hardware support and features to make them replace their computers in order to install the full version. The same was with the limited Windows Thin PC which was a "light" version of Windows 7. So even if Microsoft pretends to support slow computers, they still have profit in mind.

Cromax · Jul 2, 2023

spapakons said:
Microsoft had released a "light" version of Windows XP, called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs to persuade companies switching from Windows 98 to XP without replacing their old computers. This version was deliberately limited in hardware support and features to make them replace their computers in order to install the full version. The same was with the limited Windows Thin PC which was a "light" version of Windows 7. So even if Microsoft pretends to support slow computers, they still have profit in mind.

thats why with me if win12 has some stupid hardware req.. its linux time had enough of stupid rubbish

Winuser · Jul 2, 2023

spapakons said:
Either that or install it on another computer you don't care if something goes wrong. For example if you clean install Windows for a friend, install Windows 12 instead to test it. If it goes wrong, just format the disk and install Windows 10/11 as originally planned. Just make sure you have some time to do your tests and familiarize with Windows 12 before returning the computer to your friend.

Unless the Canary Channel becomes the new Windows 12, I'll either use my laptop or install another drive in my desktop to test Windows 12. I haven't used my laptop since I replaced it with a BeeLink SEI11 mini pc that is newer and has better specs. I have it setup outside in my shed (man cave).

Winuser · Jul 2, 2023

spapakons said:
So even if Microsoft pretends to support slow computers, they still have profit in mind.

TechnoMage2021 · Jul 2, 2023

Am I and a few others, such poor communicators, that anyone reading these forums doesn't already know that, first off you don't have to get your Windows ISO's from Microsoft? Really!
And secondly, the ISO's we do get will install anywhere, without all the hate and discontent installed by MS. And, without bloatware or malware.
And yet, I read people talking about all the hoops they have to jump through to install Windows xx somewhere.
It's not possible, but I wish I could sit down with some of those people and show them exactly how simple it really is to install any version of Windows. (specifically, 10 or 11).

In just one hour, I can install Windows 11/Pro/64, tweak it, and tune it, and have it ready for Prime Time.

I have absolutely NO reason to believe, that Windows 12 will be any different.

spapakons · Jul 2, 2023

20-30 minutes to install Windows 11 (with SSD), 10 minutes to identify hardware and download the chipset driver (if applicable) and the graphics drivers. 5 minutes and a restart later you are ready to start installing Office and other applications. For a typical office computer you add 7-zip or WinRAR, VLC, Chrome or Firefox (optional, I use Edge) and Adobe Reader. All these are 30-40 minutes. For adding tens other applications and games plus restoring your data from backup you need minimum a couple of days. If like most of us you have limited free time it can take a week. Unfortunately not all computers are as simple as an office PC. An average home PC needs more applications and games and this takes much longer. I hear some youngsters bragging they do a clean installation in half an hour! Really? This is only to install Windows and let it automatically detect your hardware. This means no applications, no games and impaired performance. To get the maximum performance you must take the time and download the official drivers from manufacturer. Don't rely on Windows Update. Let alone a typical game is in the order of tens of GB and takes over half an hour to install. If you have to download it again add one hour plus.

WAI · Jul 2, 2023

*If it comes to the point that the upgrade to 12 from ISO I'll ofc use Rufus to create a USB with "When Available" or if Microsoft would still have the TPM required

I'll be using the Bypass and create the ISO with IMAGEBURN

Cromax · Jul 2, 2023

TechnoMage2021 said:
Am I and a few others, such poor communicators, that anyone reading these forums doesn't already know that, first off you don't have to get your Windows ISO's from Microsoft? Really!
And secondly, the ISO's we do get will install anywhere, without all the hate and discontent installed by MS. And, without bloatware or malware.
And yet, I read people talking about all the hoops they have to jump through to install Windows xx somewhere.
It's not possible, but I wish I could sit down with some of those people and show them exactly how simple it really is to install any version of Windows. (specifically, 10 or 11).

In just one hour, I can install Windows 11/Pro/64, tweak it, and tune it, and have it ready for Prime Time.

I have absolutely NO reason to believe, that Windows 12 will be any different.

i dont wanna to edit appraisers.dll on iso every time when its new feature update bc windows update is too dumb to install it bc it outputs some stupid error on 30 or 90% and rolls back .. bc microsoft is to dumb to make feature update without compatibility issues.. so if they introduce hardware req like MPU for that trash ai bs.. i am done with windows in general what is enough is enough

spapakons · Jul 2, 2023

No need to change the appraiserres.dll for same version updates. You have to do it once a year to install the next version (such as 23H2 coming in October). Just create once the empty dummy file (see relevant thread) and have it handy on your desktop. Every time you want to upgrade to the next version, run Setup to create the hidden C:\$Windows.~BT folder. Before proceeding go to this folder, delete the original file C:\$Windows\sources\appraiserres.dll and then copy-paste the empty dummy. You must have Administrator rights to do that and enable showing hidden files. Then disconnect from the internet, just in case, and proceed with the upgrade. After a successful upgrade to the next version you can reconnect to the internet and install all remaining Windows updates. Hopefully the same or similar easy workaround will allow us to upgrade from Windows 11 to 12 on our unsupported computers.

Cromax · Jul 2, 2023

spapakons said:
No need to change the appraiserres.dll for same version updates. You have to do it once a year to install the next version (such as 23H2 coming in October). Just create once the empty dummy file (see relevant thread) and have it handy on your desktop. Every time you want to upgrade to the next version, run Setup to create the hidden C:\$Windows.~BT folder. Before proceeding go to this folder, delete the original file C:\$Windows\sources\appraiserres.dll and then copy-paste the empty dummy. You must have Administrator rights to do that and enable showing hidden files. Then disconnect from the internet, just in case, and proceed with the upgrade. After a successful upgrade to the next version you can reconnect to the internet and install all remaining Windows updates. Hopefully the same or similar easy workaround will allow us to upgrade from Windows 11 to 12 on our unsupported computers.

thats more complicated than editing appraiser or swapping with edited version and just running setup

WAI · Jul 2, 2023

...why not just DL from DUUP Dump and create with Rufus with the *Available Bypass Function when AVAILABLE?

All this File remaining an such is too complicated

Cromax · Jul 2, 2023

WAI said:
...why not just DL from DUUP Dump and create with Rufus with the *Available Bypass Function when AVAILABLE?

All this File remaining an such is too complicated

bc when i did it that wasnt a thing.. which was early builds

TechnoMage2021 · Jul 2, 2023

As a Windows Hobbyist, it will be fun to see just what Redmond, the After Market boys, and Rufus comes up with.

It will be fun, whatever they all come up with.

Happy 4th, Y'all!
TM

spapakons · Jul 3, 2023

It doesn't matter where you download the ISO from. If it is not already patched, you still need to use Rufus or other methods to bypass compatibility check.

Scannerman · Jul 4, 2023

TechnoMage2021 said:
Am I and a few others, such poor communicators, that anyone reading these forums doesn't already know that, first off you don't have to get your Windows ISO's from Microsoft? Really!
And secondly, the ISO's we do get will install anywhere, without all the hate and discontent installed by MS. And, without bloatware or malware.
And yet, I read people talking about all the hoops they have to jump through to install Windows xx somewhere.
It's not possible, but I wish I could sit down with some of those people and show them exactly how simple it really is to install any version of Windows. (specifically, 10 or 11).

In just one hour, I can install Windows 11/Pro/64, tweak it, and tune it, and have it ready for Prime Time.

I have absolutely NO reason to believe, that Windows 12 will be any different.

Windows 12 will require TPM4, a finger print scanner, a DNA sample, and a retinal scan. Platforms less than a year old after it is released to the public will not be compatible with Windows 12 Secure Boot. Fortunately, for those enthusiasts who enjoy purchasing new system boards every year, the consortium has provided a limited supply of DDR6 system RAM. A newly developed CPU will also be required and the cost will be reflected in the specialized architecture that Windows 12 requires. Some standard power supply units can be converted to an intelligent PSU by means of a moderately priced adapter. Deluxe editions will include a specialized ergonomic tube for you to spit through as your saliva enters a repository included in the biometric hardware. Masks and mandatory sanitation gear will be provided with the purchase of each system board so there will be no cause for concern. Your PC will be safe. You will be secure.

Of course, stuff happens so there can be no guarantee that security keys will be safe or that you will not be hacked by some disgruntled employee of some nameless firm. You will just have to trust the module and trust Microsoft. So, in a manner of speaking your PC will be safe and you will be secure. Be safe and don't be evil.