Windows 12 ! Already....


I guess the only good thing is we can keep using prior OS's until they stop support. I normally hang on 2-3 years after a new release. I have just moved to Windows 11 from Windows 10 2 years after release.
I like to dual boot with the current iteration of Windows 11 and the DEV Channel.

I have senior citizen students so it's necessary to stay with the current version. I also like to be on the bleeding edge, thus, the DEV Channel. If Microsoft pitches Windows 12 in the mix, Canary, here I come!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    500 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer
I disagree with the whole "This will cause eWaste".

For one thing, older PCs are routinely refurbished and used in a variety of places, and for the second thing, the increase in eWaste is due to humans deciding to upgrade more often, and having more devices, than they used to.

30 years ago, pagers were prevalent, cell phones almost non existent, and majority of people didn't have a desktop and a laptop.

Today?

I have a desktop I built, a Laptop I bought, 2 cell phones, a tablet, 4 desktop monitors, a TV downstairs and another upstairs, a smart watch, 3 sets of wireless IEMs plus 1 OTE set, 2 capture cards, a controller, and much much more. And that is just me. Now analyze how many devices a family of four collectively owns.

30 years ago, I was 22, and I had exactly 1 laptop and one pager.

Pretend all you want, but we are buying more devices, and that is how we are getting more waste - not because of irreconcilable differences of a new OS that won't work on older hardware.That is pure rubbish.



Good for you.

Windows 10 works better than Windows 11 in some aspects. In spite of that I'm running 11. Whatever comes out next is what I will probably be running when it comes out.

Just because you don't care doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Fedora Rawhide, Garuda,, Debian Trixie
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell
    Hard Drives
    3 ssd 2 spinners configured as raid 0
    Keyboard
    Eluktronics
    Mouse
    Eluktronics
    Browser
    Firefox and Chromium
    Other Info
    Gnome 46
Tick Tok

You have until October 14, 2025 to keep using Windows 10 and continue receiving at least some sort of support from Microsoft for it. However, the company announced in November 2021 that it will only release feature updates after version 21H2 (the Windows 10 November 2021 Update) annually in the second half of the year via the General Availability Channel.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Fedora Rawhide, Garuda,, Debian Trixie
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell
    Hard Drives
    3 ssd 2 spinners configured as raid 0
    Keyboard
    Eluktronics
    Mouse
    Eluktronics
    Browser
    Firefox and Chromium
    Other Info
    Gnome 46
How many times any of us needed Microsoft support and got it? This forum is thousand times more helpful. As for security updates, no worries as long as we keep an updated antivirus and don't click everything without reading it. Many still use Windows 7 or even XP. Their biggest problem is application compatibility, not security. As long as the applications they need still work or can find workarounds, they don't mind for EOL.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Chillblast
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3100
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix b450-f
    Memory
    Corsair 8GB x 2 (16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 1650 Super
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27" 1440p
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    Hard Drives
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB
    256GB NVME Seagate Barracuda
    Browser
    Firefox / Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Amd E2
    Memory
    4GB
    Hard Drives
    128GB SSD
It is not going to run w10 or w11 smoothly.
How can you be so sure? You haven't even tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on such system. If you rely entirely on Windows Update to find drivers, no it won't work properly. If you take the time to track down the hardware and download the appropriate drivers, then it should work as good as with Windows 7 if not better. For old hardware there are no Windows 11 drivers, so we use Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 8 64-bit drivers instead. Been there, done that several times.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
How many times any of us needed Microsoft support and got it? This forum is thousand times more helpful. As for security updates, no worries as long as we keep an updated antivirus and don't click everything without reading it. Many still use Windows 7 or even XP. Their biggest problem is application compatibility, not security. As long as the applications they need still work or can find workarounds, they don't mind for EOL.

If you think you cannot be infected without clicking actually clicking on something, then you should probably brush up on PC security as bit.

And I've gotten Microsoft support - when I needed it. When it was not a critical problem, I found answers elsewhere online, namely because it's probably already happened to someone somewhere sometime.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
My daughters X58 is doing fine with an i7 960, 24GB of system RAM, and a modest MSI 1050 Ti graphics card. She also has it configured for multi-boot and runs Win7, Win8, Win 10, Linux Mint, and Win 11 on the thing! (Of course I had to tweak Win 11 for her). She has quite the menu to play around with and all the OS work just fine. So I can vouch for that. I also have to say that I have a much harder time keeping multi-boot running in UEFI than in real BIOS. Probably one more reason I can't convince her to upgrade her PC. She keeps on insisting that it's fast enough for her. X58 was built to last.

Indeed.

eVGA X58 Classified FTW, 12 GIB (3x 4 GB) RAM, A Pair of GTX 260s, replaced by a GTX 560 Ti 448 Core with one of the 260s kept for PhysX, then upgrade to a GTX 970 With the 560 kept for PhysX (briefly, until games really stopped using them).

Started out with a pair of Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 5000 GB HDDs, replaced with a pair of 7200.12 1 TB HDDs, then started throwing SSDs in there - Intel 80 GB, Intel 180 GB, Crucial 256 GB, SanDisk 960 GB (each of those became the system drive, and the others were relegated to data drives).

As I mentioned earlier, that rig, through the entirety of all upgrades, was always in that Level 10 GT case, which is in my basement currently, as my office wiring simply doesn't have the power to run both my current rig and the old one. So, it was easy to keep moving the drives down and out of the way, since the mobo had a pair of SATA III connectors (really just Marvell SATA 5.0 GB/s connections, fully limited by the chip) as well numerous SATA II connectors, so making use of those drive bays was crucial - so much so that when the 'rail' section on one bay was damaged, I bought an entire replacement rail lol

Ran Windows XP, 7, and 10 on that rig. Except for the fact that eVGA never put out another BIOS update not too soon after I built it, and that the VTx extensions (for hardware virtualization) setting in BIOS was reversed (so setting it off turned it on, etc.), it was a great little machine. But, it was showing its age, particular in CPU-bound gaming and in data storage and transfer. SAT II-ish speeds are fast, but NVMe over PCI gen 4 is a ton faster.

Not to mention, the CPU could only do so much. Intel Quad core Bloomfield with Hyper-threading can't hold a stick to the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (16 cores / 32 threads) I've got now, even without considering the generational gap and associated CPU power (in terms of FLOPs, etc.) difference due to the age difference.

If that 965 EE could still have hung and performed with even half the raw power of this 3950X, I'd still be using it. I put out a good bit of money building this rig, and then have put in a bit more putting in newer drives and a much newer GPU (GTX 970 --> RTX 3080 Ti), but I can stay right here where I am at now and not worry about a thing for at the very least a couple of years, putting the age at 5 years old in 2 years from now. And then maybe a GPU upgrade, if nVidia ever gets their head out of their butt and starts giving us real generational increases for minimal price increases, not the other way around, otherwise, I'm really happy with that I got.

That 965 EE will probably end up being an (overkill) file server when I get the basement finished lol. Those drive Bays are kinda perfect for a RAID, without having to spend extra for a SAN setup.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
Indeed.

eVGA X58 Classified FTW, 12 GIB (3x 4 GB) RAM, A Pair of GTX 260s, replaced by a GTX 560 Ti 448 Core with one of the 260s kept for PhysX, then upgrade to a GTX 970 With the 560 kept for PhysX (briefly, until games really stopped using them).

Started out with a pair of Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 5000 GB HDDs, replaced with a pair of 7200.12 1 TB HDDs, then started throwing SSDs in there - Intel 80 GB, Intel 180 GB, Crucial 256 GB, SanDisk 960 GB (each of those became the system drive, and the others were relegated to data drives).

As I mentioned earlier, that rig, through the entirety of all upgrades, was always in that Level 10 GT case, which is in my basement currently, as my office wiring simply doesn't have the power to run both my current rig and the old one. So, it was easy to keep moving the drives down and out of the way, since the mobo had a pair of SATA III connectors (really just Marvell SATA 5.0 GB/s connections, fully limited by the chip) as well numerous SATA II connectors, so making use of those drive bays was crucial - so much so that when the 'rail' section on one bay was damaged, I bought an entire replacement rail lol

Ran Windows XP, 7, and 10 on that rig. Except for the fact that eVGA never put out another BIOS update not too soon after I built it, and that the VTx extensions (for hardware virtualization) setting in BIOS was reversed (so setting it off turned it on, etc.), it was a great little machine. But, it was showing its age, particular in CPU-bound gaming and in data storage and transfer. SAT II-ish speeds are fast, but NVMe over PCI gen 4 is a ton faster.

Not to mention, the CPU could only do so much. Intel Quad core Bloomfield with Hyper-threading can't hold a stick to the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (16 cores / 32 threads) I've got now, even without considering the generational gap and associated CPU power (in terms of FLOPs, etc.) difference due to the age difference.

If that 965 EE could still have hung and performed with even half the raw power of this 3950X, I'd still be using it. I put out a good bit of money building this rig, and then have put in a bit more putting in newer drives and a much newer GPU (GTX 970 --> RTX 3080 Ti), but I can stay right here where I am at now and not worry about a thing for at the very least a couple of years, putting the age at 5 years old in 2 years from now. And then maybe a GPU upgrade, if nVidia ever gets their head out of their butt and starts giving us real generational increases for minimal price increases, not the other way around, otherwise, I'm really happy with that I got.

That 965 EE will probably end up being an (overkill) file server when I get the basement finished lol. Those drive Bays are kinda perfect for a RAID, without having to spend extra for a SAN setup.
Solid.

My first introduction to the X58 platform was back in 2009 when I purchased a Dell (yeah, yeah, I know) XPS 435T/9000 series Studio XPS. I made many upgrades in it over time because it really impressed me as a promising unit, well worth the investment in upgrades. It was the last pre-built desktop I ever bought and I bought it because I couldn't build a Bloomfield rig cheaper than the price that I could get the Dell pre-built for. I wasn't disappointed. I used that unit for five years before I handed it to the wife. She loved it too. Then Haswell came out so I built her a rig that she's still using today and our eldest daughter was the proud recipient of an X58 unit. Since she was into graphic design and did a little video rendering and some more intensive work, she got a video card upgrade to bolster her system RAM. She was 11 years old at the time.

Admittedly, it can't hold a candle to my ASUS X99-E WS unit, but as far as durability and stability go it's a winner. When my daughter's sister turned 11 she asked me if she could have one too. These girls like to share and compare. Of course, by that time I couldn't buy another one brand new so I searched Ebay and found a unit at a reasonable price. This took some time as they had remarkably good resale value. Alas, when it arrived it looked as though it fell off the back of a pick up truck. The seller had insured the item so I got a full refund. I was also told to keep the damaged unit. Well, the i7 920 CPU it came with was still good and I couldn't find anything wrong with the motherboard. The drive was shot and the graphics card was toast. The frame was beyond repair, but beyond that I had many usable spare parts, but I was back to square one.

The younger daughter still wanted an X58. She was rather familiar with her sister's PC by that time and her sister was not about to give up her own unit for a nice, new one. I even tried to bribe her with a new UEFI job but nope, no deal. She told me she's watched all the PCs that come in and out of this house (the ones I rebuilt and repaired for clients) and pointed out that the only time I had to work on her unit is when she got upgrades, which is true. Smart kid. So, I was back to getting yet another X58 unit. I managed to get the 11 year old to concede to getting one that wasn't an XPS 9000 and got her a nice GIGABYTE board. I let her pick out the case herself and we built her a gaming rig which she still uses today. Neither one of these gals desires to let go of their X58 platforms and neither one of them want to run UEFI. As far as games are concerned they prefer the older games and the 15 year old (who inherited the XPS at 11) is playing around with Python now and experimenting with Linux. She wants a career in computer science and for some odd reason she won't look sideways at UEFI. The very idea of locking anyone out of BIOS is horrendous to her. I tried to explain that you can still access BIOS via UEFI but it's a losing argument. To each their own.

The youngest daughter likes all the newer stuff. She's a wild and crazy ginger who likes biking and soccer and shooter games. She's happy with her Haswell 4790K and enjoys the modest 4.2 GHz overclock. She's all ASUS and holds to the tradition of the spoiled baby of the family. It's her turn to be 11 now and she's already built her own PC (I got to supervise, but I wasn't allowed to touch any tools or screwdrivers.) After 20 years of PC building I did finally build my own gaming rig but I'm not really a hard core gamer. I just like building and fiddling with PCs. Still, it's always nice to have a back up unit on hand, so I settled on an AMD X570 HERO with a Ryzen 7 8 core CPU. Now, admittedly these units will run circles around X58 platforms but how long they will last remains to be seen. The caps on the original Dell unit are leaking. Fortunately, I have a replacement board on hand. That old thing has proven itself time and time again. Despite this, the silly thing still runs but the 15 year old knows it's only a matter of time. She asked me if I could please find a way to let her keep her X58 and I said, "I already have, honey". I got a big broad grin and a hug for that one. What more can a Dad ask for? The X58 is like the 57 Chevy of the PC world. It might fail to proceed but it never stops running! :)
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
ROTFLMFAO.

You're so wrong that this is pointless.
So you’re saying a 14 year old pc with minimum windows 7 specs will run windows 11 smoothly. This confuses me.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Chillblast
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3100
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix b450-f
    Memory
    Corsair 8GB x 2 (16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 1650 Super
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27" 1440p
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    Hard Drives
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB
    256GB NVME Seagate Barracuda
    Browser
    Firefox / Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Amd E2
    Memory
    4GB
    Hard Drives
    128GB SSD
You haven't even tried to install Windows 10 or 11 on such system
I have. W11 was not enjoyable. On medium or above specs windows 7 Pc, windows 10/11 would be perfectly fine, yes, but not with minimum specs..

It is painfully slow.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Chillblast
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3100
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix b450-f
    Memory
    Corsair 8GB x 2 (16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 1650 Super
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27" 1440p
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    Hard Drives
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB
    256GB NVME Seagate Barracuda
    Browser
    Firefox / Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Amd E2
    Memory
    4GB
    Hard Drives
    128GB SSD
So you’re saying a 14 year old pc with minimum windows 7 specs will run windows 11 smoothly. This confuses me.

It should confuse you - as you said both Windows 10 and Windows 11. And initially you did not stipulate minimum requirements. And I specifically was referring to Windows 10.

At the time it came out, the CPU I mention, the Core i7 965 EE was the absolute king of CPUs. So it well exceeded the minimum requirements of Windows 7. Windows 7 minimum specs would probably be on a machine that, today, would be 20 years old or more.

Be aware of what you say and how you say it.

A 14 year old machine, by any standards, will run Windows 10 perfectly fine. As with any system, it will be a bit slower to moderately slower due to the age of the processor and the hardware on the motherboard, but other than that, it will be fine. Mechanical HDDs will be slower than SSDs. More RAM will definitely help (I had 12 GB, as I always over build my builds, and scannerman's daughter has 24 GB). They are well spec'd for Windows 7, 8, even 10. With an SSD and that much RAM, while slower at some tasks, Windows 11 will be fine on them if you use workaround methods to get around the TPM requirement.

Will it be anywhere as fast as the system in my specs? Hardly. Will it be usable and stable? Yep. It will.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
I have. W11 was not enjoyable. On medium or above specs windows 7 Pc, windows 10/11 would be perfectly fine, yes, but not with minimum specs..

It is painfully slow.

And therein lies the difference. You didn't bring up minimum spec until more recently in your posts, and a CPU and platform made in 2008 was anything but minimum spec for Windows 7, which was already released before the 965 EE CPU I had was.

If you tried to run Windows 10 on a dual core Celeron? Yeah, you might have some issues. But first you'd have to find one that is only 14 years old.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
My first introduction to the X58 platform was back in 2009 when I purchased a Dell (yeah, yeah, I know) XPS 435T/9000 series Studio XPS. I made many upgrades in it over time because it really impressed me as a promising unit, well worth the investment in upgrades. It was the last pre-built desktop I ever bought and I bought it because I couldn't build a Bloomfield rig cheaper than the price that I could get the Dell pre-built for.

I am not gonna knock you for that at all. Gotta do what ya gotta do, and yeah, Bloomfield was a super hot commodity - they were powerful as heck, and very reasonably priced for the bang you got from them. I actually bought my 965 EE CPU from eBay after a year after I built a C2Q 6600-based rig (in 2008), just for giggles. Glad I did, as in 2011, lightning wiped out the C2Q rig massively (drives, PSU and mobo all fried - drives I recovered, rest was junk). Having that 965 allowed me to plan an emergency build that was supposed to be my machine for a few years (I was in my Masters program at the time, and did not have time to futs around with a build - since I had the CPU, I built the rig around it). Turned out it worked so damned well I kept it going until I finally decided I had both the money and the time during the Pandemic to replace it lol.

Admittedly, it can't hold a candle to my ASUS X99-E WS unit, but as far as durability and stability go it's a winner.

Exactly. I needed a new machine that could run multiple VMs simultaneously for work, as well as other things, so when the time came, I was ready to go.

To be fair, though, this rig I've had for 3 years is pretty rock solid. It has had a few small issues, but nothing with the hardware, so much as crappy support from MSI, more than anything. And it is fast, at least right now. So, I can still see it being (reasonably) fast in a few years, too.

She told me she's watched all the PCs that come in and out of this house (the ones I rebuilt and repaired for clients) and pointed out that the only time I had to work on her unit is when she got upgrades, which is true. Smart kid.

Absolutely a smart kid.

As far as games are concerned they prefer the older games and the 15 year old (who inherited the XPS at 11) is playing around with Python now and experimenting with Linux. She wants a career in computer science and for some odd reason she won't look sideways at UEFI. The very idea of locking anyone out of BIOS is horrendous to her. I tried to explain that you can still access BIOS via UEFI but it's a losing argument. To each their own.

Hmmm. I put a password lock on the BIOS, because while that might be a horrifying thing when you're talking about a home machine, it's also a huge security risk.

I've disabled the ability to boot from any device except the SSD that Windows is installed on. If I need to boot from something else, gotta enter the admin password. This way the machine only boots what I want it to boot.

Is it likely that someone comes over and tries to do that? Probably not.

Is it much more likely that I have a bootable UFD plugged in and the system gets rebooted onto that device? Probably.

Is it possible that there is something hiding on there that I don't want on my machine? Yes, unfortunately, no matter how good AM suites are these days, things can still slip by. So, I lock my machines down.

So, I can see both sides of it - from the standpoint of the convenience of having it readily available to the slip side of it being a security risk. For Ss & Gs, make a bootable Linux UFD and stick it on her machine and reboot her into that *nix environment lol. Then you can explain my reasoning on why locking down BIOS and UEFI is not necessarily a bad thing.

Speaking of *nix - that platform screams running *nix, as well. I ran Gentoo on it as the main OS for almost 2 years, when I was tired of 7, and 10 was not yet out. Big tricks were: Self-compiled kernel loading only the modules I needed it to, so no HAL querying at boot, and of course, SSDs. Also used part of the 12 GB of RAM as a RAM-based temp storage for compiling, made compiling programs a lot easier, and faster.

Of course, I love complicated things, so building from Scratch as Gentoo has you do was right up my alley. lol.

After 20 years of PC building I did finally build my own gaming rig but I'm not really a hard core gamer. I just like building and fiddling with PCs. Still, it's always nice to have a back up unit on hand, so I settled on an AMD X570 HERO with a Ryzen 7 8 core CPU. Now, admittedly these units will run circles around X58 platforms but how long they will last remains to be seen. The caps on the original Dell unit are leaking.

I'm not a 'hardcore' gamer, as I never play FPS games, but I love racing games, and the entire Diablo and Elder Scrolls series. I'm currently working on finishing my first go at Diablo IV. But my machine is first and foremost a workstation, and is a gaming machine as an after thought.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
And therein lies the difference. You didn't bring up minimum spec until more recently in your posts, and a CPU and platform made in 2008 was anything but minimum spec for Windows 7, which was already released before the 965 EE CPU I had was.

If you tried to run Windows 10 on a dual core Celeron? Yeah, you might have some issues. But first you'd have to find one that is only 14 years old.
Sorry for the confusion.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Chillblast
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3100
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix b450-f
    Memory
    Corsair 8GB x 2 (16GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 1650 Super
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27" 1440p
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    Hard Drives
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB
    256GB NVME Seagate Barracuda
    Browser
    Firefox / Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Amd E2
    Memory
    4GB
    Hard Drives
    128GB SSD
As stated previously I have an old Inspiron 530. Maxes out at 4GB of RAM. 32 bit OS. Came with Windows Vista. You can do the math but I'm pretty sure that's well over 10 years old, maybe pushing closer to 20. It runs Win 10 better than it ever ran on Vista. Only a duo-core chip in it. You heard it here and I lie not. The Dell 435T unit I mentioned rolled off the assembly line in 2009. That's 14 years old and that Inspiron is at least 3 years older. The 435T runs both Win 10 and Win 11 on an X58 platform. Did I have to tweak the Win 11 OS? Of course I did. Did I have to tweak the Win 10 OS? Nope. Both these PCs use BIOS. There is no UEFI to speak of. TBH I wish the installation of Win 11 on my X99 were so easy; but alas that unit is UEFI and has TPM 1.2 so there are complications. Furthermore that X99 unit has Turboboost Technology so there are even further complications because Win 11 can't see it. It also has secure boot and boy did that ever result in further complications! (I have yet to get Linux Mint back up and running in multi-boot.) I don't blame my daughter for not being interested in UEFI — not when she can run a half doz. OS in multi-boot in BIOS seamlessly and with Linux to boot! That's what an X58 platform can do.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Absolute minimum system requirements for Windows 7 32-bit:

I have seen mentioned about Windows 11 running slow on old hardware, so I am going to tell you a rather crazy story. Back in 2009 when Windows 7 were first out, after I had upgraded my then desktop Intel Pentium 4 3.00GHz Prescott, 2GB RAM from Vista 32-bit to 7 32-bit, I wanted to put Microsoft's 1GHz CPU 1GB RAM requirements to install Windows 7 to a test. Since Vista that tried to convice everyone to replace their PC, I was sure that these "minimum" requirements were not near the truth, so I searched through my old spare parts and made some experiments. I started with a mere Intel Pentium II 450MHz (slot 1 for those who remember) with 512MB RAM. The Windows 7 DVD could not boot since the Pentium II lacked some instructions, MMX, if I am right. I replaced the Pentium II with an Intel Pentium III 700MHz CPU. This time Windows Setup started, so I decided to reduce RAM and try again. I left only 256MB RAM. Windows Setup displayed some error related to RAM, probably because of insufficient space to copy the necessary data before launching. I made it to 384MB (256+128) and it started again, so this was the absolute minimum RAM. I then ignored the disk warning and tried to use a 10GB hard disk. Of course Windows Setup failed after some time because of lack of space. I replaced the disk with a 20GB one, this time Setup completed after 1.5 hours! It needed close to 5 minutes to load from off to the desktop and yes, it was VERY slow, but I wasn't going to use it anyway, I did it as proof of concept. Anything 1GHz and at least 1GB RAM (Microsoft's minimum specs) seemed a lot faster and much more usable. Likewise, Microsoft requires 2GB RAM for Windows 11 and they are right. Yes, I have tried 1GB RAM but it is very slow for my limited patience. 2GB is not too fast, but very usuable. So I insist than any 64-bit CPU with at least 2GB is OK for Windows 11. This includes many systems 15-20 years old. Of course the faster the better, but this doesn't mean that our old dual core systems are junk, no they aren't! Install Windows 11 there, install proper drivers (not rely on Windows Update for everything), disable all visual effects to make it faster and you have a usable PC for Office work and web surfing. If you have a discreet graphics card with at least 1GB RAM and WDDM drivers you can even watch Netflix (in SD of course).
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Tick Tok

You have until October 14, 2025 to keep using Windows 10 and continue receiving at least some sort of support from Microsoft for it. However, the company announced in November 2021 that it will only release feature updates after version 21H2 (the Windows 10 November 2021 Update) annually in the second half of the year via the General Availability Channel.
30 years ago I was 33. I had no laptop, no pager, and no cell. I didn't want them. I didn't even have a T.V. I was an audiophile. I wrote, by hand, with a fountain pen. That was old fashioned even back then. My Commodore 64 was a gift. So was my Tandy. The first PC I ever bought brand new was a Sony VAIO, back in 99. I hit the ground running and got into the MSN Community pretty quick on the Mistake Edition. Less than three years later I was building computers. (No great mystery there.)

The stability and reliability of Windows XP after years of ME misery tricked me into thinking Microsoft could only get better. In 2005 I cannibalized the Sony. The rest of it went to the recycle centre. IDE was a PITA. I'm pretty sure it was back in 2006 when I bought that Inspiron. I was never averse to buying a pre-built if I could get it for less than what the parts cost me to build it. Dell Support was pretty good back then. In fact, they sent me a CD ROM drive free of charge to install in the unit when I mentioned they forgot to give me the second, which I was never charged for. Cloning CDs was a big thing back then. And so, began the woes of VISTA and that's a saga all of its own.

Hope was back on the horizon with Windows 7. By then I was well-acquainted with hardware and PC building but I still couldn't beat Dell's price for a Bloomfield platform so I sprang for that Studio XPS 435T/9000 series after Dell put them on sale. To this day I have not found an OS that has met my needs better than Windows 7 and I was very sorry to see support for it discontinued. I'm still using it with a good hardware firewall and I don't do any financial transactions on it but, since Microsoft discontinued the updates I haven't had any issues with it at all.

I have Windows 8 to thank for launching me into Linux. It would seem that ever since Windows 8 the Microsoft operating systems have just gotten increasingly unreliable. I understand that they had to streamline a great deal in order to get it to run on tablets and such, but the Win 8 series was such a disappointment. Perhaps it had something to do with Microsoft firing all their beta testers. One can only speculate.

Windows Keylogger edition (Win 10) was only further validation that Linux was a good choice. I never bothered to put Win 10 on my work station and I never will. My work station is a 7/11 unit that once upon a time ran Linux before I installed Win 11.

As a PC builder/former enthusiast/repair guy I have had to learn and operate nearly every OS Microsoft released to the domestic end user. That means that I still suffered Win 8, 10, and 11 on other PCs. In my opinion none of these holds a candle to Windows 7 or Windows XP. The stability just isn't there. But I'm thinking Microsoft is looking to the future and for me it looks pretty grim. I'm not big on chat GPT or AGI and we all know that's where this is all going. I'm in my 60's and I'm from another time. I will always miss those golden years of Windows 7.

As for the E-waste issue, I'll say it again: The exception only proves the rule. I'm the exception. I still have that Dell Inspiron and that X58 platform because I know enough how to keep them current and running. The average user does not and has no inclination to do so. When Microsoft tells them their PC is antiquated (in so many words) they dispose of it. Rarely is it 'traded in'. I was at the transfer station today, dropping off scrap metal to be recycled. I looked across the road and noticed the latest heap of desk top computers in bins was considerably bigger than three months ago. I didn't bother looking further. I know what's going on. More's the pity.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Absolute minimum system requirements for Windows 7 32-bit:

I have seen mentioned about Windows 11 running slow on old hardware, so I am going to tell you a rather crazy story. Back in 2009 when Windows 7 were first out, after I had upgraded my then desktop Intel Pentium 4 3.00GHz Prescott, 2GB RAM from Vista 32-bit to 7 32-bit, I wanted to put Microsoft's 1GHz CPU 1GB RAM requirements to install Windows 7 to a test. Since Vista that tried to convice everyone to replace their PC, I was sure that these "minimum" requirements were not near the truth, so I searched through my old spare parts and made some experiments. I started with a mere Intel Pentium II 450MHz (slot 1 for those who remember) with 512MB RAM. The Windows 7 DVD could not boot since the Pentium II lacked some instructions, MMX, if I am right. I replaced the Pentium II with an Intel Pentium III 700MHz CPU. This time Windows Setup started, so I decided to reduce RAM and try again. I left only 256MB RAM. Windows Setup displayed some error related to RAM, probably because of insufficient space to copy the necessary data before launching. I made it to 384MB (256+128) and it started again, so this was the absolute minimum RAM. I then ignored the disk warning and tried to use a 10GB hard disk. Of course Windows Setup failed after some time because of lack of space. I replaced the disk with a 20GB one, this time Setup completed after 1.5 hours! It needed close to 5 minutes to load from off to the desktop and yes, it was VERY slow, but I wasn't going to use it anyway, I did it as proof of concept. Anything 1GHz and at least 1GB RAM (Microsoft's minimum specs) seemed a lot faster and much more usable. Likewise, Microsoft requires 2GB RAM for Windows 11 and they are right. Yes, I have tried 1GB RAM but it is very slow for my limited patience. 2GB is not too fast, but very usuable. So I insist than any 64-bit CPU with at least 2GB is OK for Windows 11. This includes many systems 15-20 years old. Of course the faster the better, but this doesn't mean that our old dual core systems are junk, no they aren't! Install Windows 11 there, install proper drivers (not rely on Windows Update for everything), disable all visual effects to make it faster and you have a usable PC for Office work and web surfing. If you have a discreet graphics card with at least 1GB RAM and WDDM drivers you can even watch Netflix (in SD of course).

One thing to note - did Microsoft ever, or even do they now, say that these are hard minimum specs and that their OSs and software will not run on anything less than this?

Nope. They always have been, and still are today, Recommended minimum specs. IOW, legalese for "This is where we feel that you should be without degrading performance and / or affecting critical processes."

So, I'm not surprised that you could get it running - but as you yourself noted, it was painfully inadequate to use as a daily use system.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth

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