Planning A New Build in late January.

Scannerman · Feb 24, 2024

Lance1 said:
Well I found the card I want. It's in my cart and I'll get it next month. Tell me what you think? I also repasted my R9 290X. the thermal paste is dry and crusty but it made no difference at all.

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I'd recommend that your older graphics card be kept (or sold) for an older build. It's still a good performer and you can take care of those high temps with MSI Afterburner to a large extent with a fan curve just as Ghot suggested; but as I stated earlier: There's still life in the old girl yet.

I'm surprised that a proper cleaning and reassembly with new paste did not change anything. It almost always takes the thermals down a couple of notches at least. That card, despite being known as a high performer, was notorious for high thermals as well. If it just peaks at 90 ℃ it's not a big deal. If you're thermal throttling then yes, you have an issue. It goes without saying that the card was designed for an older style system board, but it does run well on the board in the above video, made in 2023. The RX 590, 580, and 570 in my home all run on older system boards and for the most part these are doing well. (They also all run Direct X 12.)

I know SOME here will disagree with me but it has been my personal finding over the past couple of decades that with AMD GFX cards these do tend to run better on AMD platforms. (I rather doubt AMD would disagree.) NVIDIA, on the other hand, tends to run well on both Intel and AMD platforms so perhaps that is one excuse NVIDIA has in its pocket to falsely justify their price gouging. Linux tends to work well with AMD cards.

I'm not a hard core gamer and the games that I do play work fine on a 1070 because they are extremely dated. I seriously don't need anything better. So there's not much I can say about these newer cards from personal experience as I don't use them and I haven't built anyone a high end system since the wild fires came through. If I could afford a 4060 I'd probably set that cash aside until I had enough for a 4090. After discussing the differences between these two cards with a friend of mine (who has zero dependents) but again, it really does come down to user preference.

Lance1 · Feb 24, 2024

Scannerman said:
I'd recommend that your older graphics card be kept (or sold) for an older build. It's still a good performer and you can take care of those high temps with MSI Afterburner to a large extent with a fan curve just as Ghot suggested; but as I stated earlier: There's still life in the old girl yet.

I'm surprised that a proper cleaning and reassembly with new paste did not change anything. It almost always takes the thermals down a couple of notches at least. That card, despite being known as a high performer, was notorious for high thermals as well. If it just peaks at 90 ℃ it's not a big deal. If you're thermal throttling then yes, you have an issue. It goes without saying that the card was designed for an older style system board, but it does run well on the board in the above video, made in 2023. The RX 590, 580, and 570 in my home all run on older system boards and for the most part these are doing well. (They also all run Direct X 12.)

I know SOME here will disagree with me but it has been my personal finding over the past couple of decades that with AMD GFX cards these do tend to run better on AMD platforms. (I rather doubt AMD would disagree.) NVIDIA, on the other hand, tends to run well on both Intel and AMD platforms so perhaps that is one excuse NVIDIA has in its pocket to falsely justify their price gouging. Linux tends to work well with AMD cards.

I'm not a hard core gamer and the games that I do play work fine on a 1070 because they are extremely dated. I seriously don't need anything better. So there's not much I can say about these newer cards from personal experience as I don't use them and I haven't built anyone a high end system since the wild fires came through. If I could afford a 4060 I'd probably set that cash aside until I had enough for a 4090. After discussing the differences between these two cards with a friend of mine (who has zero dependents) but again, it really does come down to user preference.

I did think after seeing that crust that a repast would fix it. But! As I said no difference. Note how dirty it is. Hers a visual.

cereberus · Feb 24, 2024

I guess the thread title is a bit like the HHGTTG quote "book 5 in the increasingly inaccurate trilogy."

To be fair thread title does not state which year

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Lance1 · Feb 24, 2024

cereberus said:
To be fair thread title does not state which year .

Dec 26, 2023 TO Feb 24 2024 and ongoing.

“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

Scannerman · Feb 26, 2024

I like this thread. Sure, it "degraded" strings ago, but so what. It's become a bull pen for whatever and Lance still keeps us updated with progress reports on his new build so it is still current in it's own right. Laid back and casual. So, why not? Those who aren't keen don't have to read it. BTW I have the complete, unabridged Hitchhiker's set of all the books, including the postmortem And Another Thing . I think Eoin Colfer did a pretty good job on that. So I snag my early a.m. coffee and come to this thread first.

I'm hoping we'll get pix of the build with the new GFX card installed.

Lance1 · Feb 26, 2024

Scannerman said:
I like this thread. Sure, it "degraded" strings ago, but so what. It's become a bull pen for whatever and Lance still keeps us updated with progress reports on his new build so it is still current in it's own right. Laid back and casual. So, why not? Those who aren't keen don't have to read it. BTW I have the complete, unabridged Hitchhiker's set of all the books, including the postmortem And Another Thing . I think Eoin Colfer did a pretty good job on that. So I snag my early a.m. coffee and come to this thread first. I'm hoping we'll get pix of the build with the new GFX card installed.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I got my coffee mug. As for the GPU... Having second thoughts so I'll hold off for now but we'll see. I ordered that Vertical GPU Riser. It should be here next week so expect a pic or two.

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Lance1 · Feb 26, 2024

I found this video on GPU repair. I was mesmerized. I wish that I that talent.

Scannerman · Feb 26, 2024

Lance1 said:
I found this video on GPU repair. I was mesmerized. I wish that I that talent.

Oh yeah. I watched that one too. Absolutely amazing. The guy is so meticulous and so skilled with his hands. I could never do it but it is pretty mind blowing to watch him at work. Makes Rossman look like kindergarten class. All those layers to deal with. Scary.

On those risers: I've never been a big fan of them so I've never installed them on any builds I've done, BUT... They are said to greatly improve air flow and cooling efficiency so apart from aesthetics perhaps they're worth using after all.

Lance1 · Feb 26, 2024

Scannerman said:
Oh yeah. I watched that one too. Absolutely amazing. The guy is so meticulous and so skilled with his hands. I could never do it but it is pretty mind blowing to watch him at work. Makes Rossman look like kindergarten class. All those layers to deal with. Scary.

On those risers: I've never been a big fan of them so I've never installed them on any builds I've done, BUT... They are said to greatly improve air flow and cooling efficiency so apart from aesthetics perhaps they're worth using after all.

That guy has surgeons hands. Working with those fine filaments to thread connections together OMFG... I'm looking at my case and that vertical mount is going to look amazing. I can't see how air flow would improve in my case having an inverted card. O! My new WD 2 TB should be coming in this week. I'll post a pic for that as well as my Fractal Design Vertical GPU Riser. Admit it. You're jealous. I know I would be if the tables were turned. In all my years of building PC's this is my second NEW PC Build just for me. Everything ells was for other people. Maybe this is why I'm dragging this post out. Just for me..

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Scannerman · Feb 27, 2024

Lance1 said:
In all my years of building PC's this is my second NEW PC Build just for me. Everything ells was for other people. Maybe this is why I'm dragging this post out. Just for me..

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lol Doubtless some would be jelly over a build like yours, but I am quite happy with mine and doing other things with it. I know precisely the feeling however; I have built a grande total of TWO whole PCs for myself and only me and nobody else. Perhaps I could have held off on the HERO but that was another bucket list build as I had never built a gaming rig for myself before either. It was hard to do because I'm not really a hard core gamer so I kept on feeling like I was wasting finances on something that wasn't going to get much use. This was erroneous thinking because I still use it for plenty of other things, permitting the workstation/home server/multi-main a bit of a break. Have you had a gander at this puppy?

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Lance1 · Feb 27, 2024

Scannerman said:
I have built a grand total of TWO whole PCs for myself and only me and nobody else.

That's actually quite sad. There is certain satisfaction and pride of building a system for someone else. If you have never built for a client or a friend you wouldn't know what that feels like. It's rewarding and satisfying. Ya, you can look at your own system. But think how happy the people are with the system that you built for them! It's a good feeling. You need to build for someone.

Lance1 · Feb 27, 2024

Scannerman said:
Have you had a gander at this puppy?

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$607.67! Good price compered to Newegg who is asking $921.22. I bought my 2tb for $195.00 delivered to my door. And I got $100.00 off. You have to look around to get the best deal.

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Scannerman · Feb 28, 2024

Lance1 said:
$607.67! Good price compered to Newegg who is asking $921.22. I bought my 2tb for $195.00 delivered to my door. And I got $100.00 off. You have to look around to get the best deal.

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Yup. Just thought I'd point in the *cough* general direction.

Bargain hunting is the privilege of the buyer.

Lance1 · Feb 28, 2024

Scannerman said:
Bargain hunting is the privilege of the buyer.

Not always. When I bought my Samsung 32" Curved monitor I thought I was getting a good deal at $400.00. Two weeks later it went on sale for $250.00. We are victims of a marketing scam. It makes you think twice on every purchase you make. Other than the monitor I've been lucky so far with this build. No surprises... Yet. Now I'm looking at this for $404.97! Regular $769.97. I'm thinking of getting it next month with my (OAS). Thoughts?

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Scannerman · Feb 29, 2024

Lance1 said:
Not always. When I bought my Samsung 32" Curved monitor I thought I was getting a good deal at $400.00. Two weeks later it went on sale for $250.00. We are victims of a marketing scam. It makes you think twice on every purchase you make. Other than the monitor I've been lucky so far with this build. No surprises... Yet. Now I'm looking at this for $404.97! Regular $769.97. I'm thinking of getting it next month with my (OAS). Thoughts?

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I'm thinking bargain hunting is still the privilege of the buyer. Whether they find a bargain or not is another matter. The WD BLACK SN850X is without a doubt good NVMe. Surprisingly, Hynix has come out with some pretty impressive specs too. Platinum P41 SSD – SK hynix SSD Currently when it comes to performance it's looking like Crucial still rules them all.

hdmi · Feb 29, 2024

Lance1 said:
Not always. When I bought my Samsung 32" Curved monitor I thought I was getting a good deal at $400.00. Two weeks later it went on sale for $250.00. We are victims of a marketing scam. It makes you think twice on every purchase you make. Other than the monitor I've been lucky so far with this build. No surprises... Yet. Now I'm looking at this for $404.97! Regular $769.97. I'm thinking of getting it next month with my (OAS). Thoughts?

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If you really need that extra storage space and you don't want to compromise on getting the PCIe 4.0 speed on all of that storage space, then yes, I suppose it's worth that investment. Else, not so much, as then it would more than likely make a lot better sense to choose a 2TB SSD with good enough PCIe 4.0 speeds to perfectly suit your needs (and that doesn't necessarily have to be the 2TB version of the SN850X, as there might be better and/or more affordable choices available also in that department).

One of the key important factors in deciding between expanding your total storage capacity via adding a separate drive that has a significantly lower price per GB (at the sacrifice of speed on that part of the total storage space) and expanding it via getting the more expensive 4TB drive [compared to only 2TB] instead is that you'll also lose another M.2 slot (or USB/Thunderbolt port if going for the external type solution) versus not. (Also think about the future-proofing capabilities and etc. in that regard.)

Finally, try to also keep in mind that the real-world advantage of having decent PCIe 4.0 speeds to work with can tend to be limited in a variety of ways one of which is that you can't copy the files close to 7,000MB/s excepting only if both the source and the target folder are located on a drive that is capable to sustain these kinds of speeds. The reason why this usually matters a lot is that the actual transfer speeds you get outside of merely copying large chunks of data in this manner very often are limited by the CPU + RAM. Sequential reading a 32GB segment of a file into physical RAM (if you have that much available free RAM space) at close to PCIe 3.0 speed takes ~10 seconds. In a lot of situations, if you want the processing to keep up with speed, then when you're out hunting for bargains you're still going to need to catch a smoking CPU to cook your flash storage based recipe.

Scannerman · Feb 29, 2024

hdmi said:
If you really need that extra storage space and you don't want to compromise on getting the PCIe 4.0 speed on all of that storage space, then yes, I suppose it's worth that investment. Else, not so much, as then it would more than likely make a lot better sense to choose a 2TB SSD with good enough PCIe 4.0 speeds to perfectly suit your needs ...

100% Agree. The same stands for the Crucial T700. Sure it's great to have fast NVMe but there are a lot of caveats that go with that sort of data transfer. Speed is addictive but there is a practical side for needing it apart from bragging rights — especially if the finances could be better invested in a much needed GFX card, or, as hdmi has stated in the same post, "a smoking CPU". When you're thinking about moving data at 12GB per second the process is only going to be as reliable as the weakest link in the chain. For myself, I'm happy with PCIe 4.0 but I recall others telling me I was wasting money on it. I still think I made a good choice. I also tend not to be an early adopter of the latest greatest whatever is next. There will always be faster, leaner, meaner (and more expensive) storage but if I take my time I can learn which of these actually passes the test of time and of course, in time, the price will drop, and I can safely follow in as the Johnny-come-lately owner of hardware that already passed the acid test. Again, user preference prevails.

hdmi · Feb 29, 2024

Scannerman said:
others telling me I was wasting money

kelper · Feb 29, 2024

@Lance1

Eee, I wish you'd get on with this project! It will be March tomorrow!

Scannerman · Feb 29, 2024

kelper said:
@Lance1

Eee, I wish you'd get on with this project! It will be March tomorrow!

He needs to decide on a graphics card first.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence. I got my coffee mug. As for the GPU... Having second thoughts so I'll hold off for now but we'll see. I ordered that Vertical GPU Riser. It should be here next week so expect a pic or two.