Planning A New Build in late January.

TechnoMage2021 said:

Years ago, when I worked in a little PC repair shop, my boss, a real PC Guru, showed me one very important difference between an Intel cpu and an AMD cpu.
I had PC's with both cpu's on my bench, and running. He pulled the plug for the CPU fan on the Intel cpu and the PC crashed (shut down) in just a few seconds. Then he did the same thing for the AMD cooler. The AMD CPU throttled back some, but kept right on going.

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What you are describing is a process called thermal throttling. In the old daze Intel would in fact just shut down the chip when temps got too high due to fan failure. I believe there is a way today to make Intel chips function without a running CPU FAN but I know they still have that safety built into the boards (although Intel no longer makes system boards). AMD still offers the "carry on" option on many of their system boards with a warning. A huge heat sink without a fan can keep a CPU safe for standard tasks in many cases, but for the most part a cooling fan is advisable.

Like you I had a mentor who was a real guru and leaned toward AMD systems. He's scope everything and constantly ran numerous diagnostics I wouldn't even think of. Myself, I became the student understudy rebel who preferred Intel CPUs. Today, my fan boism has subsided and if it were not for Spectre/Meltdown I would likely still favour Intel. Today, I'm about 50/50 on the red vs. blue. But I digress.

AMD made several tough old boards back in those days and the 12 year old FX-6350 Pile Driver shouldn't be excluded from the list. This chip certainly gave Intel a run for the money when it came to PRICE vs Performance. Back then AMD chips also tended to run hotter than the competition but they were also built to take the heat. . . Well, within reason. Still, 4.2 GHz on this chip wasn't unheard of and it became a favourite among over clockers in it's day. Magemeister, you definitely do NOT have a slow PC there. Nice find.

i've had great success with both Intel builds and AMD builds. I'm not a loyalist to either brand, I just evaluate what seems best to me at the time and go with it. Last time I built, I went with AMD as it provided PCIe Gen 4 NVMe support while Intel did not yet. My wife, son and I all have desktops built in the last 4 years, and all 3 are running AMD. My Daughter is using my son's previous build, and hers is an Intel build.

Same. My last personal build was AMD Crosshair X570 Hero and PCIe Gen4 was a large factor in my selection to purchase it. As with most things it really does come down to user preference. I honestly can't say that my choice was a disappointment, but it is a bit of a shame that it won't officially run anything older than Windows 10 although it will run Linux.

Scannerman said:

Same. My last personal build was AMD Crosshair X570 Hero and PCIe Gen4 was a large factor in my selection to purchase it. As with most things it really does come down to user preference. I honestly can't say that my choice was a disappointment, but it is a bit of a shame that it won't officially run anything older than Windows 10 although it will run Linux.

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If you do want to run older systems for testing or just to play with just run them in a VM. I have yet to transfer all my VM systems to my new build

Lance1 said:

If you do want to run older systems for testing or just to play with just run them in a VM. I have yet to transfer all my VM systems to my new build
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Wow. And I thought my daughter was going overboard with 5 OS on her X58! lol

I used a basic i3-12100f with 32GB and my PC is lightning fast (3 browsers open 50 tabs each) I've considered upgrading to an i5 but I don't see any real benefit unless I 'm encoding or gaming. CPU usage is rarely over 20% as is.

Recently built a i7 2600k system with 16GB and it's almost as fast - not bad for a 14 year old cpu running win11!

Well! I have transferred all my VM systems into my new build Running VMware Workstation 16 Pro 16.2.1 And it works perfectly. This is the way to for testing. "Overboard!!" You have no idea. I have 3 more nvme ports waiting to be filled. The sky's the limit! My collection will continue to build.

Lance1 said:

Well! I have transferred all my VM systems into my new build Running VMware Workstation 16 Pro 16.2.1 And it works perfectly. This is the way to for testing.

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That really does look like something I'd be interested in trying out. Too many pokers in the fire atm but you definitely caught my interest. VMs have always captured my fascination. Presto chango! Now you see me, now you don't! Drives scammers wild.

Scannerman said:

That really does look like something I'd be interested in trying out. Too many pokers in the fire atm but you definitely caught my interest. VMs have always captured my fascination. Presto chango! Now you see me, now you don't! Drives scammers wild.

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So all that is holding you back is procrastination. There are a lot of VM software's that you can use but VMware is my preference as you can see on my post 247. So all you need is an OS ISO and the rest quite straight forward after that. Your savvy! figure it out. If you do... Post your first VM... Looking forward to seeing it!

Didn't know VMware was Broadcom. Sweet! :) https://www.vmware.com/ca/get-started.html

Scannerman said:

Didn't know VMware was Broadcom. Sweet! :) https://www.vmware.com/ca/get-started.html

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Broadcom just acquired VMWare and they are wholeheartedly sticking it to businesses with absolutely insane price increases. Thus far, haven't seen one thing come out of this which is a positive.

#1) Broadcom killed off the free esxi product. Broadcom VMware Ends Free VMware vSphere Hypervisor Closing an Era

#2) Perpetual licenses coming to an end, and customers seeing up to 1200% price increases. As some VMware products come to an end some customers face 1200% price rises - The ITAM Review

#3). Broadcom ends 56 standalone products that VMWare had in it's catalog that data center customers used regularly. VMware is "killing off" 56 products amid "tectonic" infrastructure shift

My business uses VMWare pretty extensively, both vCenter and AVI Networks load balancers. I'm in the midst of an AVI load balancer license renegotiation and thus var they haven't been able to generate us a quote and technically our licenses expire next week. We are working to cut back at least 25%, and our renewal is going to be in the millions of dollars.

I'm not a fan of anything thus far with Broadcom.

I'm using Hyper-V at the moment, at home....and I've got a small collection of VM's

I've got a small collection of VM's

If you are using Pro and your vm is a windows guest (excluding Home) or an OS that supports enhanced mode (to a lesser degree, it is really no contest - use Hyper-V.

If your guest is an OS that cannot support enhanced mode (i.e not act as an RDP server), the vmware or similar is the better option, mostly because Hyper-V does not support sound when running in basic mode.

pparks1 said:

Broadcom just acquired VMWare and they are wholeheartedly sticking it to businesses with absolutely insane price increases.

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That is unfortunate but I certainly appreciate the 'heads up'. I've generally enjoyed Broadcom hardware and it saddens me to learn that I won't be able to afford their newly acquired software. My old Broadcom modem served me well and my IT and IR HBA cards are working just fine. I'm just a little guy who likes to tinker with hardware. That Broadcom is resorting to these measures is discouraging and very likely to backfire on them in the long run. I hope your company gets a break. That's pretty harsh.

So I ran a stress test with AIDA64 on my CPU. I let it run for an hour and a half. This is the result so You can see it. This proves that my Noctua NH-D15 chromax black Rocks! No change it stayed steady. Who needs AIO? Noctua Air cool systems rock. Post an AIO that stays this consistent.

Need to heat up that CPU. (RED box)
Mine is a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (push-pull).





If you ever want to seriously heat the CPU... Prime95.

Ghot said:

Need to heat up that CPU. (RED box)
Mine is a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (push-pull).


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If you ever want to seriously heat the CPU... Prime95.

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Mine also is a push-pull. I see no reason to let this stress any longer then it has. 15 Minutes. I clearly beat your Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO. Next contestant?

Lance1 said:

I clearly beat your Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

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Oh... easily.


Next, you need to try Small FFTs, on Prime95




At the bottom of the AIDA graphs.... there's a Preferences button.
You can set the graphs to scroll at the same speed.

Ghot said:

Oh... easily.


Next, you need to try Small FFTs, on Prime95

GIMPS - Free Prime95 software downloads - PrimeNet

GIMPS has free software available for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OSX. Contribute to the effort by using your computer's spare processing power.

www.mersenne.org

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No hard feelings my friend. You just need to upgrade... And yes I have downloaded Prime95 but have yet to run it. When I do I'll post my results.

Lance1 said:

No hard feelings my friend. You just need to upgrade... And yes I have downloaded Prime95 but have yet to run it. When I do I'll post my results.

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I have zero hard feelings.

For what I do... the Hyper 212 is fine.