Windows 12 ! Already....


spapakons said:
Windows 9 was released as Windows 8.1 (8+1=9, also NT 6.3 which does 6+3=9). They didn't consider 8.1 too different from original 8, so they did not name it 9, they named it 8.1 instead. They did not name NT 6.4 as 9 either, they named it as 10 to make clear it is much advanced compared to 8.1 Also 6+4=10, they later changed the version to NT 10.0 instead or the original NT 6.4 Windows 11 is still version NT 10.0, proof that is actually Windows 10 with a new skin.
Click to expand...
In fact Win 9 never existed because for the 9.x internal versions names being used by Windows 95/98/Me
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 7i 16IRX9
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-14900HX
    Motherboard
    LENOVO LNVNB161216 Chipset HM 770
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics, NVIDIA RTX 4070 Laptop
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3200x2000 200% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: HDD 1 TB SAMSUNG MZVL21T0HCLR-00BL2
    D: HDD 1 TB CRUCIAL CT1000P3PSSD8
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Free
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad X1 3Gen Extreme
    CPU
    I7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Intel MW-490
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD - NVIDIA 1650 Ti Max-Q
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 225% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: WDC PC SN730 SDBQNTY-1T00-1001 (1 TB)
    D: KINGSTON SNV2S2000G (2 TB)
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
  • Like
Reactions: WAI
If Pluton chip will be mandatory for Windows 12 I'll be buying a new laptop in 2025, otherwise in 2026 or 2027
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 7i 16IRX9
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-14900HX
    Motherboard
    LENOVO LNVNB161216 Chipset HM 770
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics, NVIDIA RTX 4070 Laptop
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3200x2000 200% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: HDD 1 TB SAMSUNG MZVL21T0HCLR-00BL2
    D: HDD 1 TB CRUCIAL CT1000P3PSSD8
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Free
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad X1 3Gen Extreme
    CPU
    I7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Intel MW-490
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD - NVIDIA 1650 Ti Max-Q
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 225% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: WDC PC SN730 SDBQNTY-1T00-1001 (1 TB)
    D: KINGSTON SNV2S2000G (2 TB)
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
MiguelAngel11 said:
In fact Win 9 never existed because for the 9.x internal versions names being used by Windows 95/98/Me
Click to expand...
I thought these were version 4.xxx If I remember correctly, the System Properties in Windows 95/98 mention version 4.xxx The original Windows 98 (aka Gold version) build ends in 1998 and the Windows 98 SE (aka Second Edition) build number ends in 2222. Both start with 4.xxx
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Scannerman said:
Perhaps some of us don't realize it but we're already psyching up on this thread for Windows 12.

We're discussing apps, procedures, and things that are likely to give us trouble on Win 12 or simply don't work at all, hardware solutions that may or may not work, quick and dirty hacks, venting frustrations, etc. etc. It's bizznizz as usual on the Windows 12 Already thread! :winkt:

And why not? I would be so disappointed to see this thread deleted. I mean, we all know it's going to come right? If Win 11 is any indication of what Windows 12 will be like then this PARODY THREAD isn't really a total waste. Are we not having fun here? Are we not learning a few things in the process?

Let's please keep this thread.
Click to expand...
what about the entire forum/site dedicated to entirely just windows 12? Believe it or not..it does exist already. I think that should be the place to discuss windows 12, Just like if you discuss windows 10 you get told to go over to tenforums. Just makes sense.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    10700k@5.2
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Gaming X Z490
    Memory
    Viper Steelseries 32gb@ 3600mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte 2070 Super 8GB, +200 core + 600 memory
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 4k HDR, Two 1080p Benq and Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160/2560x1440/1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 1tb
    Samsung EVO 870 500GB
    PSU
    Corsair RX 650
    Case
    NZXT h510
    Cooling
    CM HYPER 212 RGB
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata Chroma
    Mouse
    Steelseries Rival 710
spapakons said:
I thought these were version 4.xxx If I remember correctly, the System Properties in Windows 95/98 mention version 4.xxx The original Windows 98 (aka Gold version) build ends in 1998 and the Windows 98 SE (aka Second Edition) build number ends in 2222. Both start with 4.xxx
Click to expand...
Yes, you're right I was confused with the build number. e.g Windows 95 build 950.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Legion 7i 16IRX9
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-14900HX
    Motherboard
    LENOVO LNVNB161216 Chipset HM 770
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics, NVIDIA RTX 4070 Laptop
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3200x2000 200% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: HDD 1 TB SAMSUNG MZVL21T0HCLR-00BL2
    D: HDD 1 TB CRUCIAL CT1000P3PSSD8
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Free
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad X1 3Gen Extreme
    CPU
    I7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Intel MW-490
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD - NVIDIA 1650 Ti Max-Q
    Sound Card
    Realtek in-built
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 225% Scale
    Hard Drives
    C: WDC PC SN730 SDBQNTY-1T00-1001 (1 TB)
    D: KINGSTON SNV2S2000G (2 TB)
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
Scannerman said:
Sidecar data vulnerabilities?? That's the first I've heard of it. I hope it isn't anything as nefarious as Spectre/Meltdown.
Click to expand...

It is. And very similar in vectoring too.

www.elevenforum.com

AMD Zen 2 CPUs vulnerable to ZenBleed data leak bug

AMD Security Bulletin: Cross-Process Information Leak Bulletin ID:  AMD-SB-7008 Potential Impact: Information disclosure Severity: Medium Summary Under specific microarchitectural circumstances, a register in “Zen 2” CPUs may not be written to 0 correctly. This may cause data from another...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

Scannerman said:
Thanks for the info, John. I like that the pictures show the pin layout. Not sure if something that specialized would work okay with ASUS though. I like MSI too and I've made many MSI builds. At the rate ASUS is going with the quality of their components and their poor support I'm about to recommend them over ASUS these days. MSI has certainly come a long way over the years.
Click to expand...

Also, there are 2 there because some manufacturers use a 20-pin version and some use a 14-pin version (and I've heard of a 12-pin variety also, I think?)

It's the reason I got the one from MSI versus, say, a cheaper vendor from eBay or Amazon - I knew I'd be getting what they advertised I would get.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
Scannerman said:
No way. I got Norton free with my AMD build and it's the full version. I still have a whole 90 days left to go! Admittedly, it's not as good as Kaspersky but it's only a gaming rig so I'm not too worried about it. You do realize Norton made GHOST right?
Click to expand...
OH MY GAWD, NO! Norton had absolutely Nothing to do with Ghost.
It was written by little grey guys from Andromeda. Actually, by a little known software company in New Zealand, around 1997. I used that original version, before Symantec got their grubbies on it. It was purely DOS and worked only on FAT-32 formatted disks. *

* Sometime after Symantec bought it, they modified it to work with NTFS drives.
Their last DOS based version, 11.5x is the one I still use today. Booting in DOS totally bypasses Windows and all the problems that can entail.

Ghost was bought by Symantec around 1998, and was theirs till they finally abandoned it, after screwing it up like everything else they touched. I'll never understand why they stuck the Norton name on it. Trying to give it legitimacy, I guess, because Symantec was getting such a bad rep.

Kaspersky? Controlled by the Russian mafia. No thank you! I'd rather have a virus!

:cool:
 

My Computer

System One

TechnoMage2021 said:
OH MY GAWD, NO! Norton had absolutely Nothing to do with Ghost.
It was written by little grey guys from Andromeda. Actually, by a little known software company in New Zealand, around 1997. I used that original version, before Symantec got their grubbies on it. It was purely DOS and worked only on FAT-32 formatted disks. *

* Sometime after Symantec bought it, they modified it to work with NTFS drives.
Their last DOS based version, 11.5x is the one I still use today. Booting in DOS totally bypasses Windows and all the problems that can entail.

Ghost was bought by Symantec around 1998, and was theirs till they finally abandoned it, after screwing it up like everything else they touched. I'll never understand why they stuck the Norton name on it. Trying to give it legitimacy, I guess, because Symantec was getting such a bad rep.

Kaspersky? Controlled by the Russian mafia. No thank you! I'd rather have a virus!

:cool:
Click to expand...

:cool: Ich wohnen im Kanada. Gib mir meine Kaspersky! Either Symantec owned Norton or Norton owned Symantec. I forgot which way that one went but I do know that I used Ghost back in those days and it came directly from Norton. It was pretty handy even back in 2001. So Norton made that version. Yes, even then it was purely DOS. It was excellent for repairing PCs that lost their boot strap and cleaning out corrupt files too. I can't recall if it worked with SATA though. I recall that I had to boot it from floppy.

I'm sorry you think Kaspersky is controlled by Russian mafia. Frankly I think that's a pile of B.S. but then again, I don't buy everything that pours out of mainstream media. If you're really concerned about Russian mafia you better delete all your Gen 2 stuff while you're at it. I suppose it can't be any worse than the TPM Consortium Syndicate. Actually, it's better. At least I have a choice with Kaspersky regardless of what OS I choose to use.
Governments in North America had to allow Kaspsersky back because all those false allegations were disproven. Even Microsnot had to suck it up and allow Kaspersky on their operating systems by LAW.

IMO Kaspersky is one of the safest security systems money can get you these days. Perhaps that is why the TPM Syndicate hates it so much.We will just have to agree to disagree. I make no apology on the part of Kaspersky. They have served me wonderfully.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
MiguelAngel11 said:
If Pluton chip will be mandatory for Windows 12 I'll be buying a new laptop in 2025, otherwise in 2026 or 2027
Click to expand...
I'd say that anyone younger than 60 years of age might benefit from a new laptop in 2027 but if you're older than that you're on borrowed time anyway. Of course, if you have pesos to burn that's your prerogative. I've got 22 PCs going here and not a whole pile of clams in the oven. In fact, my government is pushing on me to apply for retirement. I don't think I can dodge them much longer.

I have a feeling I'll just become one of those angry old men who opted for Linux because Microshaft made such a terrrible mess of things. If I can't put Win 12 on my old hardware in good conscience I certainly won't. If I have to buy a TPM 3 or 4 plug (considering how TPM 2 is already failing) it isn't gonna happen. Who knows? Perhaps by 2027 they'll have a Zircon chip out and we can all be Rhinestone Cowboyz. :shawn:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
ShamrockRig said:
what about the entire forum/site dedicated to entirely just windows 12? Believe it or not..it does exist already. I think that should be the place to discuss windows 12, Just like if you discuss windows 10 you get told to go over to tenforums. Just makes sense.
Click to expand...
I think I applied to join that forum but was never approved. So be it. I'll just keep on chatting about it here until it actually becomes "a thing". For all we know Microsoft might skip right over that name and jump to some totally insane name. I like Windows Zircon but I suppose Pluto works in a pinch.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
johnlgalt said:
It is. And very similar in vectoring too.

www.elevenforum.com

AMD Zen 2 CPUs vulnerable to ZenBleed data leak bug

AMD Security Bulletin: Cross-Process Information Leak Bulletin ID:  AMD-SB-7008 Potential Impact: Information disclosure Severity: Medium Summary Under specific microarchitectural circumstances, a register in “Zen 2” CPUs may not be written to 0 correctly. This may cause data from another...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com



Also, there are 2 there because some manufacturers use a 20-pin version and some use a 14-pin version (and I've heard of a 12-pin variety also, I think?)

It's the reason I got the one from MSI versus, say, a cheaper vendor from eBay or Amazon - I knew I'd be getting what they advertised I would get.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's partly why I asked you about the make and model. I wanted to check the pin out for that. I appreciate the pictures. Wow, hey? Sidecar exploit. I guess we all knew it was coming. Hopefully AMD will deal with it at the physical hardware level instead of stooping to bandage "fixes" like Intel did. Alas, that will mean new hardware will be required, but Intel kept on cranking out CPUs with the Spectre/Meltdown vulnerability for years after they discovered it. I thought that was rather irresponsible of them and it was the leading factor in my decision to start running with AMD.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Yeah - which is why I went to AMD after being an Intel builder for a long, long time.

The fixes for the current nosebleed , er, ahem, ZenBleed, is going to be upgraded AGES for the UEFI firmware. I suspect that as long as vulnerabilities are found that can simply be fixed with AGESA or other microcode for the CPUs they will, as well, continue to follow the same manufacturing processes for their CPUs as well. It will take time for them to entirely redesign the architecture to bhave those fixes built in to the hardware.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 RGB + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge , Arc
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
ShamrockRig said:
what about the entire forum/site dedicated to entirely just windows 12? Believe it or not..it does exist already. I think that should be the place to discuss windows 12, Just like if you discuss windows 10 you get told to go over to tenforums. Just makes sense.
Click to expand...
I don't fully agree with that. Talking about Windows 12 on the ElevenForum gives it more exposure to other users. If it hasn't changed the TwelveForum is invite only. I do think this thread should have been posted in the Chillout Room .
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
MiguelAngel11 said:
In fact Win 9 never existed because for the 9.x internal versions names being used by Windows 95/98/Me
Click to expand...
I agree with @spapakons. MS was being sneaky and released Windows 9 but called it Windows 8.1.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
TechnoMage2021 said:
Actually, by a little known software company in New Zealand, around 1997. I used that original version, before Symantec got their grubbies on it. It was purely DOS and worked only on FAT-32 formatted disks. *
Click to expand...
IMHO Ghost was a great program before it was sold to Symantic. That's when I dropped it and never looked back.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Scannerman said:
I'd say that anyone younger than 60 years of age might benefit from a new laptop in 2027 but if you're older than that you're on borrowed time anyway.
Click to expand...
I'm almost 68 and I'm planning on buying a new desktop. I was thinking about doing it next year but I decided to hold off until the next version of Windows is released. If the next version is too restrictive I will stay with Windows 11 for as long as I can. I don't consider myself on borrowed time. I just look at it as being past the mid point of my life. :-)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Scannerman said:
I think I applied to join that forum but was never approved. So be it.
Click to expand...
I just looked and the only post I found from you was post #299. You asked for help with TPM 3.0.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    #1. LG ULTRAWIDE 34" #2. AOC Q32G2WG3 32"
    Screen Resolution
    #1. 3440 X 1440 #2. 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Winuser said:
I'm almost 68 and I'm planning on buying a new desktop. I was thinking about doing it next year but I decided to hold off until the next version of Windows is released. If the next version is too restrictive I will stay with Windows 11 for as long as I can. I don't consider myself on borrowed time. I just look at it as being past the mid point of my life. :-)
Click to expand...
I’ll be 68 in 2 months and just bought a new desktop!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (26100.3037)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    CLX Intel Battlebox Ultimate (RA)
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-13900KS 3.20GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero WIFI - ATX
    Memory
    128GB DDR5-5200 Kingston Fury Beast RGB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Zotac Trinity NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell G3223Q 32" 4K Ultra HD
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @144hz
    Hard Drives
    2TB Samsung 990 Pro 2280 NVMe M.2 SSD
    2TB Samsung 990 Pro 2280 NVMe M.2 SSD
    2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    1200W Corsair HX Ser HX1200 80+ Platinum
    Case
    Lian Li / Der Bauer 011DXL ROG
    Cooling
    Phanteks Glacier One 360 RGB AIO LC
    Keyboard
    Logitech K350 Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech M705 Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1GB Fiber : 940/920
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Premium
    Other Info
    Macrium Reflect X

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Workstation
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    doofenshmirtz evil incorporated
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 64GB (4x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB ROG Strix LC OC
    Sound Card
    Sound BlasterX Katana
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x27" Dell U2724D & 1 x 34" Dell U3415W
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State
    Drive
    PSU
    ASUS ROG THOR 850W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    ASUS ROG Strix Helios Midi-Tower ARGB Gaming Case
    Cooling
    ASUS ROG Strix LC Performance RGB AIO CPU Liquid Cooler - 360mm
    Keyboard
    Logi Ergo
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Vertical
    Internet Speed
    900/100 Mbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes Pro
    Other Info
    HP M281 Printer
    Logitech Brio Stream webcam
    Yeti X mic
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop
    CPU
    i7
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

windows increased fat file size. could not post anywhere else, sorry if wrong place, or already posted
Replies
1
Views
272
antspants
antspants
Windows 12 in 2024?
Replies
11
Views
5K
cereberus
cereberus
When we will see Windows 12
Replies
5
Views
106
cereberus
cereberus
Windows Seach and Windows Security Dialog Box appearing
Replies
8
Views
280
MiguelAngel11
MiguelAngel11
What features would you like to see in Windows 12?
Replies
11
Views
216
Josey Wales
Josey Wales

Latest Support Threads

Latest Tutorials

Back
Top Bottom