The Windows Eleven Thing


The 10K is my treat to myself, if you only knew what I’ve been through in the past 7/8 years, you’d possibly understand. I know it’s overkill, but like I said, it’s my treat.
Sorry to see the stuff you have been through. Aside from just getting a dream gift, you obviously could still get yourself a great computer like you did last time for quite a bit less. I just don't feel super high price computers really last much longer, you pay top dollar for high end parts that get trounced by mid range parts in a few years.
As a homeowner I have to ask, Is that even possible?
Not that I have ever seen. I'm at a point where most things are good, so I am paying extra to get my mortgage payed off. I'm shooting for 11 years on my 15 year mortgage. Goves me about 6-7 more years.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
Oh, relax. If you don't like my rhetoric you don't have to read it. I think this is a reasonably open forum where we can all respectfully express our opinions. I hardly suggested that MS should be a charity. In fact, I thought I stated quite the opposite. For this, you want to troll me? Nobody is forcing you to read my posts either. I merely suggested that the motive behind the means is money. No need to get your panties in a bunch. You are as free to your views as I am to mine. Many of the "rest of us", as you so succinctly put it, have made the same observations I have. That you would resort to such playground antics as excluding me from the so called "rest of us" is little more than typical bullying. I addressed an issue and called it "the Windows 11 Thing" because so many others in this forum have been addressing the same issue. In fact, a great number of the rest of us have been addressing this issue. I'm quite certain that none of us are out of touch with reality for this. TPM is real and the compatibility thing is real. Speaking figuratively is also part of reality and you can best believe that some of us love to hate things about Windows and others hate to love things about it. This is only human. Denying that one is not in a client relationship with Windows when they are a Windows user won't change this reality. Some of us hate it. Some of us love it. Some of us experience both. This is not a rare thing.
I rest my case.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Absolutely it will be, I’d of said 1 year.
I haven’t built a computer since 2014, it cost me AU$4,500. It’s lasted near 9 years and I am still happy with it. The 10K is my treat to myself, if you only knew what I’ve been through in the past 7/8 years, you’d possibly understand. I know it’s overkill, but like I said, it’s my treat.

I've been building computers for myself and others for years, and if I don't get at least 10 years out of them, I feel disappointed.
Apart from the desktop and laptop in my specs, I still have three older desktop computers running beautifully.

I always select a good motherboard, CPU, RAM and storage (hard drives/SSDs), but I'm not one to spend a lot of money on graphics cards. I'm not a gamer.

Here are the basic specs and build dates of the three older desktop computers that are still running well.
Build Date: November 03, 2010
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7
CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Processor LGA1366 2.66GHz 8MB Cache

Build Date: May 14, 2012
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-X79-UD5
CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K Processor LGA2011 3.2GHz 12M Cache

Build Date: August 19, 2013
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD5H
CPU: Intel Core i7 4770K LGA1150 CPU 3.5Ghz 8Mb Cache
Cheaper is not always cheaper in the end if you find yourself replacing computers too soon.
Spend a bit more on the important hardware, which is motherboard and CPU. Other components can easily be upgraded over time.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Stigg's Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-10900X
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
    Memory
    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 27" FHD LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (LS27F350FHEXXY)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro Series 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    PSU
    Corsair HX1200 1200W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Black Solid Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata V2
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    Logitech BRIO 4k Ultra HD USB-C Webcam
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Zephyrus M GM501GS
    CPU
    Core i7-8750H
    Motherboard
    Zephyrus M GM501GS
    Memory
    SK Hynix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) HMA82GS6CJR8N-VK 16 GB DDR4-2666 DDR4 SDRAM
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC294
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AU Optronics B156HAN07.1 [15.6" LCD]
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung MZVKW512HMJP-00000 512 GB, PCI-E 3.0 x4
    Samsung SSD 860 QVO 4TB 4 TB, SATA-III
    PSU
    N/A
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    N/A
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Keyboard
    PC/AT Enhanced PS2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    USB2.0 HD UVC Webcam
I've been building computers for myself and others for years, and if I don't get at least 10 years out of them, I feel disappointed.
I don't think I've had any PC I've built go past 5 years. For me, I can't ever imagine keeping the same build for 10-years o_O

Yes, I use quality parts. in fact, many of my builds are posted in the sister sites. I just like keeping fairly recent builds. My last build (system specs) was done in 2019 and I'm already looking to do a new build. Was supposed to be this year, but other priorities arose.

But that's me :D
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.4391)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon (XFX MERC 310) RX 7900XT
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27-inch Eizo Color Edge - CG2700X
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i Elite Capellix XT
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.4391)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon (Gen 12)
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7 165U vPro® Processor
    Motherboard
    Vendor
    Memory
    32 GB LPDDR5X-6400MHz (Soldered)
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" 2.8K OLED, Anti Reflection, Touch, HDR 500, 400 nits, 120Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2880 x 1800
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
    PSU
    Vendor
    Case
    Lenovo
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    Touchpad: Haptic Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, Black with Fingerprint Reader and WWAN
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    202. Build Your Own laptop.
    vPro Certified Model: vPro Enterprise
The secret to successful OS tweaking (any OS) is knowing what tweaks can actually improve the User Experience and which ones can cause problems. It's pretty safe to say that if you get a tweak from a Brink tutorial, it's going to work without a problem. And, I have many!
But if its just something that you found by accident floating around on the WWW, caution is suggested.

Tweak if you must, but make sure your 'System Restore' is set up and working. And don't forget to set up the maximum space for Restore Points, on the HD. All too often, System Restore is turned ON, but the HD space for the restore points remains at zero. That has the effect of disabling System Restore.

When setting up a new OS, I have a tried, tested, and true set of tweaks that I always use, to increase either performance or the user experience.
I've always been amazed at how many adjustments to Windows were built in at the factory. If Windows were a house, it would have many back doors, side doors, and escape hatches all over the place, and even a few movable walls.

I may have already mentioned this, but I've found Windows 11 to be the most adjustable, maleable, and tweakable/tuneable of any Windows yet.
As a little kid, I always had Modeling Clay, and now as an Elder, I have Windows 11. Same idea, different century. But still loads of fun.

Wishing Y'all a great day now,
TM :cool:
 

My Computer

In 2019, after some heavy health issues, my wife bought me a 2019 Harley-Davidson FORTY-EIGHT Custom. I rode it 10 times and sold it. There are some places you don’t ride motorcycles, Gold Coast Australia is one of them. People here get their car driving licenses from the bottom of cereal boxes. That bike was probably AU$16,000. I/she lost a couple of grand on it. 18k actually, got 16k back on it.
OK... lol

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
I think for some of us, the high speed internet has help to where we can continue to use the older PC's, especially if we're not using any high demanding programs like AutoCad, etc. For me, I just use mine for some forums I'm a member of, I enjoy the fellowship on many of them, and most of them I have been on for around 15 years. I do shop eBay and Amazon and check out a lot of YouTube videos, I learned to work on small engines on YouTube, I'm not a master at small engines yet, but I am close. So, depending on what we use our PC's for, most of us can get by with the old school stuff. I have been using my asrock z97 extreme 4, with the 4790K with 32 Gig ram for years, and it's been flawless. I still have ssd drives with XP, 7, 10, and 11 on them, and they all still work with my pc, of course some browsers don't like XP and 7, but I'm good with that. :-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
I really like the process of building new computers. I used to build a new system about every 3 years. Today, I just don't seem to have a need to build a new system. My current system is 3 years old at christmas, but there is honestly nothing new on the market that I really want. My CPU is fine. I don't need anything else from my mobo. My 3080 video card is perfect (actually overkill) for my tasks.

I'm not an upgrader (aside from maybe a bit of storage or maybe some RAM). I replace the entire box and hand down the existing machine to a child or another task.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I really like the process of building new computers. I used to build a new system about every 3 years. Today, I just don't seem to have a need to build a new system. My current system is 3 years old at christmas, but there is honestly nothing new on the market that I really want. My CPU is fine. I don't need anything else from my mobo. My 3080 video card is perfect (actually overkill) for my tasks.

I'm not an upgrader (aside from maybe a bit of storage or maybe some RAM). I replace the entire box and hand down the existing machine to a child or another task.
Ditto! I used to build a new machine about every three years too, but I no longer feel the need. I got this Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU machine with 16 GB RAM, C: Drive and a 1 TB Data Drive at a huge bargain, so I'm set.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    500 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer
At one point, pre 2014, I’d get a new computer every couple of months. Get paid to build, sell them mine in a new case, give them a standard out of the box warranty, build myself a new one. All the components were up to date. It got boring. After a 100 windows installs, meh.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
At one point, pre 2014, I’d get a new computer every couple of months. Get paid to build, sell them mine in a new case, give them a standard out of the box warranty, build myself a new one. All the components were up to date. It got boring. After a 100 windows installs, meh.
lol I can relate to this. I think after finally building myself a gaming PC it occurred to me that I likely wouldn't be building them for anyone else anymore. Well, maybe for family members. Still, PC building can get addictive. The boredom will pass if you take a long break.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
I've been building computers for myself and others for years, and if I don't get at least 10 years out of them, I feel disappointed.
Apart from the desktop and laptop in my specs, I still have three older desktop computers running beautifully.

I always select a good motherboard, CPU, RAM and storage (hard drives/SSDs), but I'm not one to spend a lot of money on graphics cards. I'm not a gamer.

Cheaper is not always cheaper in the end if you find yourself replacing computers too soon.
Spend a bit more on the important hardware, which is motherboard and CPU. Other components can easily be upgraded over time.
A Windows system should last at least a decade IMO so I'm with you on that. I have at least half a dozen PCs like that at home that still run great. This is the advantage of building your own: selecting a good system board, CPU, RAM, and storage. Graphics cards certainly are more of a user preference but one need not be a hard core gamer to appreciate the benefits of a good GPU. They are also very convenient for rendering, streaming, and assisting the processor (depending on how it is being used). I have a modest NVIDIA 1070 in my work station and although I could probably benefit from a faster GPU I find it suits my needs.

Cheaper is mostly the domain of pre-built systems and rarely can one build a PC these days that can match advertised specs in a pre-built system, like Dell, or HP, or Acer for less cost BUT a close look under the hood can confirm that the hardware they use is hardly the quality of those well built systems an enthusiast is able to put together. Plus building their own PC helps the end user to get better acquainted with their computer as they get to know it inside and out. This is also a great way to dodge the bloatware that comes with pre-built systems and likely one more reason why it is still prudent to build your own desk top PC.

Newer is not always better either, I find. Again, it's a matter of user preference and some of those older features still have value. Like the old saying goes, they don't make 'em like they used to. :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
A Windows system should last at least a decade IMO so I'm with you on that. I have at least half a dozen PCs like that at home that still run great. This is the advantage of building your own: selecting a good system board, CPU, RAM, and storage. Graphics cards certainly are more of a user preference but one need not be a hard core gamer to appreciate the benefits of a good GPU. They are also very convenient for rendering, streaming, and assisting the processor (depending on how it is being used). I have a modest NVIDIA 1070 in my work station and although I could probably benefit from a faster GPU I find it suits my needs.

Cheaper is mostly the domain of pre-built systems and rarely can one build a PC these days that can match advertised specs in a pre-built system, like Dell, or HP, or Acer for less cost BUT a close look under the hood can confirm that the hardware they use is hardly the quality of those well built systems an enthusiast is able to put together. Plus building their own PC helps the end user to get better acquainted with their computer as they get to know it inside and out. This is also a great way to dodge the bloatware that comes with pre-built systems and likely one more reason why it is still prudent to build your own desk top PC.

Newer is not always better either, I find. Again, it's a matter of user preference and some of those older features still have value. Like the old saying goes, they don't make 'em like they used to. :cool:
I agree! I hope I never lose the desire to build a PC, and not just one with the latest and greatest. Because really, unless you're a gamer, in my opinion, there is not a lot of difference in the performance of latest and greatest, than in an earlier i7 or Xeon's, with a decent board, with a good ssd and ram. I window shop eBay everyday, for me this is really enjoyable, as it also fits into the whole picture of the desire to build a PC. It's really amazing how prices of just the few year old parts have dropped, especially the Xeon's, and if you have never used a Xeon in a build, the performance and the price are amazing! I have an old Asus P6T Deluxe V2 with the Xeon 5690 with a Samsung 850 Pro and 32 GIg of ram, running @4.3 GHz. I never could get it to boot with the M.2 drive adapter, it see's it in 11 but, just could never get the bios to like it, but I really doubt I would even see the performance difference, than with the the 850 Pro.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
the hardware they use is hardly the quality of those well built systems an enthusiast is able to put together.
True, but for the normal user, components in OEM machines are more than adequate. I have built a number of systems in my time but never for myself. I've always used an OEM business class system as components are better and they are built for all day every day use and longevity. But, I'm no gamer.

The term "enthusiast' can relate to 3 types of users: a computer enthusiast, a gaming enthusiast, or one which is both.

A computer enthusiast spends time learning the relationship and workings of everything relating to a computer from the simple to the complex. They do their homework rather than think that all there is to do to build a reliable system is buy the parts, use a youtube video to throw them together, and expect everything to work 100% as so many gamers seem to do. Many gamers buy all this expensive hardware and have no clue how it all works together. Many won't do their their due diligence beforehand to learn how to stress test new hardware/software, monitor errors and temps, the proper way to overclock, and everything else that affects how a system works and a large majority of self-builders certainly don't spend the time to learn how to troubleshoot issues when they pop up.

It's these 'throw it together' builders I tend to have no patience with when things go south. So, yeah, IMO self building is not for everyone.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.2314
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme+ 4gb Solidigm nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
A computer enthusiast spends time learning the relationship and workings of everything relating to a computer from the simple to the complex. .
This would be my category. :-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
True, but for the normal user, components in OEM machines are more than adequate. I have built a number of systems in my time but never for myself. I've always used an OEM business class system as components are better and they are built for all day every day use and longevity. But, I'm no gamer.

The term "enthusiast' can relate to 3 types of users: a computer enthusiast, a gaming enthusiast, or one which is both.

A computer enthusiast spends time learning the relationship and workings of everything relating to a computer from the simple to the complex. They do their homework rather than think that all there is to do to build a reliable system is buy the parts, use a youtube video to throw them together, and expect everything to work 100% as so many gamers seem to do. Many gamers buy all this expensive hardware and have no clue how it all works together. Many won't do their their due diligence beforehand to learn how to stress test new hardware/software, monitor errors and temps, the proper way to overclock, and everything else that affects how a system works and a large majority of self-builders certainly don't spend the time to learn how to troubleshoot issues when they pop up.

It's these 'throw it together' builders I tend to have no patience with when things go south. So, yeah, IMO self building is not for everyone.
Well said @glasskuter ! I gave you the full 5 points for this one! I'm quite definitely with you in the enthusiast category.

I used to assemble parts a few decades ago until it no longer made economic sense.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 9640
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 185H
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 7467 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.3 inch 4K+ OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    960 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft PowerToys
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    BitLocker
    CoPilot

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
Many gamers buy all this expensive hardware and have no clue how it all works together.
That would be your opinion. And a false one at that.

In fact, many gamers (me included) are far more knowledgeable than most where performance and operation is concerned. And because we buy what we buy we're very concerned about how it all works together.... since we're building high end gaming rigs.

Additionally, you will find most gamers (me included) are also PC enthusiasts, which also includes learning how hardware and software (Windows) works together to get the best performance possible... without breaking the system.

Also, if you know anything about the PC market, you'd know most hardware vendors market towards and rely on feedback from.... gamers as we're the ones most likely to buy their high-performance products.

So yeah.... a most definitely false assumption :cautious:

A proud gamer who builds his own PCs with "expensive hardware" parts :cool:
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.4391)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon (XFX MERC 310) RX 7900XT
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27-inch Eizo Color Edge - CG2700X
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i Elite Capellix XT
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.4391)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon (Gen 12)
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7 165U vPro® Processor
    Motherboard
    Vendor
    Memory
    32 GB LPDDR5X-6400MHz (Soldered)
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" 2.8K OLED, Anti Reflection, Touch, HDR 500, 400 nits, 120Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2880 x 1800
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
    PSU
    Vendor
    Case
    Lenovo
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    Touchpad: Haptic Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, Black with Fingerprint Reader and WWAN
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    202. Build Your Own laptop.
    vPro Certified Model: vPro Enterprise
Duct tape enthusiast here. I'm enthusiastic about McGuyver style software solutions the purpose of which is to stop Windows from falling apart.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
That would be your opinion. And a false one at that.

In fact, many gamers (me included) are far more knowledgeable than most where performance and operation is concerned. And because we buy what we buy we're very concerned about how it all works together.... since we're building high end gaming rigs.

Additionally, you will find most gamers (me included) are also PC enthusiasts, which also includes learning how hardware and software (Windows) works together to get the best performance possible... without breaking the system.

Also, if you know anything about the PC market, you'd know most hardware vendors market towards and rely on feedback from.... gamers as we're the ones most likely to buy their high-performance products.

So yeah.... a most definitely false assumption :cautious:
I'll add my opinion to your post. Now this is just my opinion and not based on any fact that I know of. I truly believe that hardcore gamers are a huge factor in why the desktop computers are still available.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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